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Illinois GOP picks Alan Keyes to run against Obama!
illinoisleader.com ^ | August 4, 2004

Posted on 08/04/2004 6:13:51 PM PDT by tame

It's official! Yahoo!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; alankicksbutt; classicdebates; debatesforhistory; goalan; gopprimary; historicdebates; illinois; keyes
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To: outlawcam

It's probably similar to the way Texans feel about beans in their chilli. (Did I get that right?)


761 posted on 08/04/2004 9:11:12 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Eleven million people in Illinois, and the GOP couldn't come up with ONE person who actually lived there to run against Obama?

The real problem is they couldn't find one qualified person with a squeaky clean personal history to run against Obama. To run as a Republican these days, you need to have a squeaky clean "eagle scout who married young" type of background, without a lot of old girl friends and certainly no extramarital affairs or drug use. Every Pubbie knows the liberal media is out to roast him/her and will stop at nothing to find dirt, as we saw with Jack Ryan. I thought it was despicable for the AP to sue to unseal Ryan's divorce records, and I have no idea why any judge granted this request (except that the Judge might have been afraid of all those DNC operatives.) There are a lot of people who would like to run for the US senate, but they don't want every day of their lives to be investigated and written up by a##hole democrat journalists. We really have to start finding more folks with squeaky clean backgrounds and persuade them to become Pubbie politicians. It's a new calling in life.

762 posted on 08/04/2004 9:11:21 PM PDT by carl in alaska (I am not a digital brownshirt. I had a brown shirt once, but my dog chewed it up.)
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To: tame

No, you're crapping on all the principles by mindlessly repeating some bullsh$t line about "evil".

You behave in an unprincipled manner because you place your ideology above your principles, then you have become that which you detest the most.

You lie down with dogs, you get fleas.




763 posted on 08/04/2004 9:11:50 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: BenLurkin
Should make for interesting debates but Mr. Keyes has a somewhat off-putting demeanor.

If it comes down to a 'beauty contest' I think he will suffer the fate of Adlai Stevenson; admired by everyone but unelectable.

Though I have my misgivings over a Keyes candidacy, I'm actually looking forward to their debates.

764 posted on 08/04/2004 9:11:51 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You can repeat it all you want dude, it's wrong, and you're wrong.

Well, dude, you haven't given a reason why it is wrong. You just keep repeating that you think it is. But saying it's so doesn't make it so.

We don't have to be fair to EVIL.

765 posted on 08/04/2004 9:11:57 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame

I always thought Keyes would do well in the Senate. I hope he wins this.


766 posted on 08/04/2004 9:11:58 PM PDT by swheats
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To: outlawcam
The debate would really be grand, I agree. Obama I think really hopes for Keyes. Obama would smash Keyes vis a vis the voters, and Keyes would afford him a lot of running room to do it, both on style and substance. That's my honest opinion.
767 posted on 08/04/2004 9:12:53 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Bogey78O
Well it'll be a good fight but Illinois is pretty solidly for Obama. Best this can do is get the Republicans from committing suicide...IMO.

No, the best thing it can do is to bring out the party faithful and give Bush as shot at Illinois. Keyes will probably lose, but I don't think Illinois Democrats are enamored with Kerry, so they might take a pass on Kerry or even vote their pocket books and their security concerns and pull the lever for Bush.

Obama is a shoe in. But Bush can win Illinois if enough hard line conservatives turn out for Keyes.

768 posted on 08/04/2004 9:13:04 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: LandOfLincolnGOP
"No ketchup" comes with."

LOL! Perfect description.

769 posted on 08/04/2004 9:13:14 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: carl in alaska
The real problem is they couldn't find one qualified person with a squeaky clean personal history to run against Obama. No, the real problem is the couldn't find anyone to run with the caveats that neither the state party or the national party were going to cough up any cash to spend on a race they considered unwinnable.
770 posted on 08/04/2004 9:13:21 PM PDT by LandOfLincolnGOP
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To: nopardons
He has NO numbers...it's all hallucinations and hyperbole.

And of course it's not important how "REAL" the numbers are, only that I am ignoring them. LOL.

771 posted on 08/04/2004 9:13:42 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: LandOfLincolnGOP

I appreciate your honest answer. Of course, given that these are the cards we're dealt, I'm rooting for Keyes ... but I'm just saying Keyes is vulnerable to the carpetbagging charge.


772 posted on 08/04/2004 9:13:57 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: FITZ
Apples and oranges.

Keyes doesn't have a snowball's chance in HELL of winning.

He's someone who has NOT supported President Bush,so why should he now expect Conservatives and regular GOPers to support him,especially when he's going to be a carpetbagger...should he accept this ANOINTMENT?And speaking about being "anointed",he's looking more and more like Hillary,as time goes on.

Are YOU writing off the GOP team in '08,without even knowing who'll be running?

774 posted on 08/04/2004 9:14:25 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: FITZ
Can he hold his own in a debate with Keyes?

Well, if that word is "No" then yes, he can hold his own with Keyes.

All he has to do is say "I'm not debating."

775 posted on 08/04/2004 9:14:29 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: mhking
He doesn't have an understanding of statewide politics. He doesn't know about the divide between Chicago and downstate. He doesn't understand 'The Chicago Way'."

Now who's being presumptuous?

And no, it is not nitpicking to use the actual words of the definition to demonstrate that it does not apply. If he accepts the responsibility, it will not be presumptuously seeking, but [hopefully/humbly/reluctantly] accepting what the state GOP has explicitly stated is their will. Also, he must be considering at this time whether or not the other alternatives are acceptable.

776 posted on 08/04/2004 9:14:42 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: nopardons
Can you see Keyes at Flukey's telling that he want ketchup on his dog ?

God forbid!

777 posted on 08/04/2004 9:15:20 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: Modernman
AMEN. He's the prototypical Ivy AA beneficiary -- smart enough and solvent enough to have made a fine life on his own, though perhaps only with a degree from UofI. Instead, he's fawned over as a superstar merely because of his color and jumped to the head of every line. Rather than being treated as simply another smart, hard-working guy and having to compete with thousands of other smart, hard-working guys, he was set apart from the start of his educational career and treated like the academic equivalent a 6'9" 7th grader with a jump shot just because he's black. Wanna bet he does all he can to avoid debating Keyes?
778 posted on 08/04/2004 9:15:30 PM PDT by BroncosFan (NJ 2005: Schundler for Governor)
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To: pogo101
" That's a BS answer and you know it. The New York state Democratic Party "asked"
Hillary to be its 2000 Senate candidate, but that didn't make her any less of a
carpetbagger. Again: Has Keyes any ties to Illinois?"

It's not a "BS" answer. If the state Republican party had not asked Keyes to make a try
for this Senate seat we would not be having this conversation right now. I sure Dr. Keyes
knows how this looks. He's not going into this with his eyes closed.

Hillary was looking for some state election to intrude on. They got a sick and
dying Moynihan to endorse her and pose for photos with her on his farm, then muscled
in on the state Dem organization which was feeling the pressure to field a candidate.
Along with the Clinton's "supporters" in the party and help from the Dem national office,
Hillary took over. This took about four to six months.

The Republican Party in Illinois doesn't have that much time to get a candidate.
Keyes isn't taking over the state Republican organization like the Clinton's have done
to the Dem Party in NY.

As far as any Illinois connections -- he probably doesn't have any. But he doesn't need
any either. The Illinois voters will determine if that makes any difference on election day.

BTW -- Moynihan couldn't stand the Clintons.
Why did he give a tepid endorsement to Hillary --
who knows?

779 posted on 08/04/2004 9:16:08 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: Modernman
And people complain that the national political debate has gotten uncivil.

Funny, that's what the left says about the word evil as in phrases such as, oh, "evil empire" (Reagan), "axis of Evil" (Bush).

Goodness are you actually arguing that I'm wrong to call the left evil?!? It's exactly accurate and it's a GREAT word that I will not give up.

780 posted on 08/04/2004 9:16:15 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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