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Ready to rumble? Village Voice Author, Rick Perlstein, Here to Debate the Freeper Horde
08/03/2004 | Rick Perlstein

Posted on 08/03/2004 12:09:31 PM PDT by dead

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To: SunnySide
And the fact that you have no right whatsoever to post here, as I stated, just flew over your head didn't it?

Don't bother trying the insults. You aren't good enough to make 'em work.

401 posted on 08/03/2004 1:59:25 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: Perlstein
The best example of the violation of Fed 51 coming out of the White House is the memos concerning Guantanamo that argue that the president has the power to abrogate treaties (he doesn't; or at least according to the, um, constitution).

Ricky boy, the White House did not abrogate the treaty, the SCOTUS did! The treaty and the lease agreement are quite clear. GITMO remains under Cuban soverignty. SCOTUS overreached, abrogated the treaty by claiming jurisdiction and there will be hell to pay down the road for sure.

What color is your looking glass?

402 posted on 08/03/2004 1:59:35 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: SunnySide
I have a right to post in protest to this liberal spammer Perlstain. Are your sensitivities offended? Too bad, grow a spine. I MUST have touched your feely liberal nerve eh.

It’s just that you’re really coming across as an idiot without a single intelligent thought in your head.

The person who asked you to stop likely just had your best interests at heart.

You should thank him for his concern, rather than continue to lash out incoherently.

Either that or you can post another irrelevant cartoon.

403 posted on 08/03/2004 1:59:44 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SunnySide; TheBigB

Sheesh you two!! Your insults are cracking me up, but do you mind taking it outside?? ;o)


404 posted on 08/03/2004 2:00:01 PM PDT by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden, it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: BenLurkin
The photo on the right was of Tienmen Square, not Waco!

Oops. I should have paid more attention to the pictures. (After all, we conservatives only read picture books.) ;)

But, you have to admit that Waco is a good point to debate, too!
405 posted on 08/03/2004 2:00:03 PM PDT by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person)
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To: Perlstein
"Clinton, tho' certainly not my hero, slowed the growth of the federal government."

So, do you actually believe slowing the growth of the Federal Leviathan--or preferably shrinking it in real-dollar terms--is a worthy endeavor? Admittedly, Dubyuh has been a disappointment in this regard fer his first term...if he comes out in his second term and starts devolving Power from the Feds and back to the States, Localities, and Individuals, would that be a good thing?

You know Kerry's raison d'etre (sp) is--as the most Lib'ral Senator in office--to grow the Fed however feasible.

FReegards...MUD

406 posted on 08/03/2004 2:00:09 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: ableChair

Thanks for a great post!


407 posted on 08/03/2004 2:00:20 PM PDT by Pagey ("Hillary Rodham Clinton is not worthy to hold the position of 'Senator of N.Y'.")
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To: Phsstpok; Perlstein

Rick, I'm openly waiting for your response to Phsstpok, but his argument has been much more persuasive then yours.


409 posted on 08/03/2004 2:01:56 PM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: Perlstein

Interesting.


410 posted on 08/03/2004 2:02:42 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: StarCMC

If I wanted a pet, I'd get a dog. ;)


411 posted on 08/03/2004 2:02:44 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: dead
Village Voice writer Rick Perlstein to defend his liberals positions against all Freepers.

There is NO defense for Liberalism; however, I refuse to debate with him because I don't want to take advantage of the mentally ill. LOL!

I got my information from her. She should know!

412 posted on 08/03/2004 2:02:51 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce.)
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To: dead

Conservatives don't like to waste time arguing with liberals because we don't want to argue about first principles with people who do not even recognize that they are making assumptions.

Basically, I don't accept your premises, so why argue about your conclusions?


413 posted on 08/03/2004 2:02:56 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Take Luca Brazzi, make him an offer he can't refuse.)
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To: SunnySide; Perlstein

"Perlstein and his commie pinko liberal ilks idea of "window of opportunity"... through a burqa ie., women have no face, no voice - NO LIFE!"

Mr. Perlstein, and others like him, ignore the cries of agony of Muslim women because they are inconvenient. To agree that something must be done to remove their tormentors from power, means that they would have to agree with the policies of George W. Bush. The left doesn't care if millions of Muslim women suffer. Politics trump principle every time.

Mr. Perlstein: How do you justify this? How can you and your compatriots ignore the gender apartheid that exists in the Muslim world? And if you claim that you don't ignore it, then what is your solution other than overthrowing the repressive regimes which allow it to flourish?


414 posted on 08/03/2004 2:02:56 PM PDT by SilentServiceCPOWife (You WILL respect my authoritaaah!)
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To: Perlstein
From your 7/21/04 article:

Say, when you ask whether a nice guy would invade a country at the cost of untold innocent lives on the shakiest of pretenses?

Why do you write nonsense like this? Reasonable estimates of the killings by Saddam and his thugs (mostly torture killings) ran at about 10,000 per year, not counting his more efficient gas attack on the Kurds. The current rate of unnatural deaths is far lower, and most of those are targeted military killings of terrorists -- either remnants of Saddam loyalists, or foreign troublemakers who moved in after the war to take advantage of the instability -- not "innocent lives", which made up the majority of victims under Saddam. So there was no "cost" in lives whatsoever -- FEWER people are dying, not more.

As for "shaky pretenses", the fact that a brutal dictator was torturing thousands of people to death every year, and forcing virtually everyone else in the country to live in imminent fear of the same fate, hardly strikes me as a "shaky pretense". Especially when the same brutal dictator had actually used WMDs on his own people, had made credible threats in the past to use them on other countries, and had shown no inclination to abandon a general policy of aggression and brutality.

The only mistake President Bush made was trying to get UN approval for the operation, which approval was only available under a tightly defined "WMD" banner. Hopefully next time (North Korea? Sudan? Zimbabwe?), President Bush won't waste time and credibility trying to get "approval" from one of the most corrupt organizations on earth (whose corrupt officials and member-states were, in the case of Iraq, obviously disinclined to approve any disruption to their oil-for-kickbacks gravy train).

415 posted on 08/03/2004 2:03:15 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Perlstein
"As for whiny--well, I just interviewed a conservative leader in Portland who said that conservatives were 'opressed by gays. Maybe you agree, but he also said conservatives were "opressed" when liberals called them names"

So you formed your opinion of millions of people by statements made by one individual? Without context, your assessment of even that one individual has no weight, except to you because you were there.

As for shallow, your lettr to the editor proved only that you think Ann Coulter is vitriolic. One man's interpretation of "vitriole" is another's acid wit. In fact, I would consider your accusation that NO conservative EVER sits down and talks with someone they disagree with to be vitriole. You're talking to us aren't you? Not person to person, but you already stated that conservatives speak with you about issues in person - i.e.: the Portland "whiner".

I'm still waiting to hear why you assess all conservatives as "shallow"

416 posted on 08/03/2004 2:03:27 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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417 posted on 08/03/2004 2:03:40 PM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Miss Marple
Perlstein's average time between replies is just under 4 minutes (calculated from his last twenty replies). Not bad if you ask me -- especially considering FR's slowness today and the fact that he's having to give some thought to his replies.

It's easy to forget that the Freeper horde is working in parallel while he's working in series.

418 posted on 08/03/2004 2:04:19 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Perlstein
I wonder how much Veronica knows about Israel--where the majority positions of Jewish citizens, in polls, fall far to the left of the majority positions of Americans, and where many on the religious right literally believe the State of Israel doesn't have a right to exist.

I know plenty about Israel. I've been there, and I have very close friends who were born in Israel, one who served in the Knesset. There are very few "on the religious right" who don't believe Israel have a right to exist. I know the Israelis voted Arik Sharon into office...:)

And, not to put too fine a point on it, isn't it presumptuous to assume I'm a Jew?

Perhaps. So, what are you? A leftist Christian named Perlstein???

419 posted on 08/03/2004 2:04:45 PM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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To: Southack

Brilliant question, Southack. Still no response I see.


420 posted on 08/03/2004 2:05:57 PM PDT by TN4Liberty ("I did not have socks with that document....." S. Berger)
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