Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Sixteen

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[JustPiper]

Credit: The Cabal

The title refers to a daily report given to the president of the United States detailing the most serious terrorist threats against the country. To tackle those threats, the government has formed a top-notch task force to infiltrate the terror cells and cut off the danger.

"Every morning, the president receives a list of the top ten terrorist threats - this list is known as the threat matrix."

We here at FR are trying to be in conjunction with the daily reports around the world that involve threats. We try to provide a storehouse of information that takes hours of research.

YOU be the Judge and get informed.


"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat."

Link to Thread Fifteen

Police Secure Businesses on Terror Alert
NEW YORK - Police searched trucks, blocked streets and posted machine-gun toting officers outside financial landmarks Monday, a day after the government's chilling warning that terrorists might target the buildings with bombs.

"God could not be everywhere and therefore he made mothers."
-- Jewish proverb

We are the "Stotters" who make ourselves aware of the
enemy who wishes to do us harm.




"What good are the color codes at all if we are suddenly hit with a bio or chem attack? There would be no warning and the danger would be instant."

"Code Red Implications
Code Red - Stay Home and Await Word."
by MamaDearest

Meet It!
Greet It!
Defeat It!

[ExSoldier]

when they can recruit in jails and ghettos and get American born operatives? How does that add to the equation?

Excellent point. I think that converts are usually more intense and ummmm in this case willing to be tools of Jihad. The criminals will also see that as always in chaos there is opportunity. However, I don't see the true insurgents allowing these types to have access to any real sensitive info. I also think they'd be used as a kamikaze style distraction for us while something more serious was executed. Cannon fodder if you will.

[ExSoldier]

Going out for dinner. Back later.

[brucecw]

They could definitely make things very dicey for a while, maybe even a few months, with some kind of guerrilla-style warfare in this country. Short of a top tier having WMD I have a hard time picturing an extended engagement - their C&C and supply chain would be long and very dicey (not to mention the problem of recruiting or importing new fighters since they would have little if any support from the population). Also, once the general population realized what's up there are (besides the police and the military) lots of good ol' boys with guns who would be only too happy to take some of them out. I suspect that it would be pretty much of a suicide mission ... not that it couldn't get real messy before they were all exterminated, but I think the final outcome wouldn't be in much doubt.

Add in WMD and the situation changes dramatically though...

[Honestly]

Thank you for pointing that out. That's a good point.

[Domestic Church]

"I told old the Hitchen's account to some people and some were visibly perturbed and vocally angry. Not at the truth of Hitchen's words, mind you. I upset them by telling them what Hitchens said. The truth is uncomfortable to some people who prefer not to know because they feel there is nothing they can do about it and remaining out of "the know" is how they best handle it. God Bless their hearts just the same; they are just as right. Sometimes I wish I were that way too."

So well put DL! I suspect many on this thread have felt that backlash from mentioning politically incorrect truths all their lives. And sometimes I wish I was "that way" as well but we are too perceptive...we are natural born stotters...we have an awareness of the reality of the situation that can't be covered. Our survival instincts are keen. If we weren't trying to uncover the plots for Rummy we would have chewed our fingers down to stumps by now.

[MamaDearest]

I have no problem with the IH posts, only making sure we don't even tiptoe on that other site's edges in any way, shape or form - if any doubt whatsoever, it should only be noted and not posted. Management of that site has made crystal clear their feelings toward us here. Any post jeopardizing FR, JR or TM threads must not be posted here. It doesn't mean it cannot be discussed here without noting where it was found and why it cannot be posted (leaving FReepers free to check it out outside of our threads). Thanks Donna for bringing this issue forward because it does need to be dealt with.

[MamaDearest]

You would be correct Donna Lee. It was not a flame. It was a concern. Keeping our thread going and not getting litigated because we are unknowingly picking up something we thought belonged to everyone really was someone else's property and they would kill us to keep it. You have it right.

[Bobibutu]

"Do you have the text?"

Nothing back yet. The #1 guy I sent it to ack'ed he got it around 4:30 pm pacific just a few mins ago.

[MamaDearest]

That article goes to show that so-called "experts" are sometimes so wrapped up in their own theories that correctness, decency and common sense go out the window and nothing matters except them proving their predetermined point.

[JustPiper]

We average about 4000 posts a week, somestimes in 4 days
-g-

[mindspy]

I believe accomplishing Goal #1 accomplishes goal #2. This is what this whole thing is about. they almost had us that is why they were so desperate to get Gore in. Gore didn't get in so they had to revert to Plan B which is make battle in and terrorize America. I believe OK City had middle eastern ties but I don't believe McVeigh was a so called "right wing wacko." Despite the Clintonistas making him appear as one. The whole was to smear the right and patriots, to get our guns etc. Clinton was taking down the road straight into the mouth of the UN.

[JustPiper]

Ok I must ask then was it Vel that found the crude drawing we were working off of?

[null and void]

True. But it also means the Joooooooooooooos own the Mall of America, as if the terrorists didn't have enough incentive to try to take it out...

[MamaDearest]

Off topic: Certainly no girlie-men posting on this thread. Old Spice though? Someone needs to update his after-shave IMHO.

[callmejoe]

You both covered it pretty well. A few suggested additions:

Strategy:

Some of the remaining first tier may have been transferred in preparation for this new phase and its repercussions (they will be showing their hand). Much of it has been taking place "involuntarily" as the first tier has been dismantled so extensively by our ongoing operations.

Stories keep leaking that UBL and Zawahiri are involved up to the present in the planning and execution of this operation, which begs the question - - why now? Their utility is diminished as their effectiveness has to have been degraded by their current circumstances. And the more they get "involved" they more the risk exposure (and are resigned to that fact). So again, why? There must be something "special" about what is underway.

Tactics

Qaeda/Hezbollah cooperation goes back before 9/11. I am constantly surprised why so much more focus on AQ when it is not nearly the threat to us as Hezbollah. It is doubtful that they could launch let alone sustain a medium-intensity operation (which as you know, differs from a one-time simultaneous strike or a limited series of strikes). The three groups *may* have presence in each of the 50 states, but that means in some key states there is an intricate and disciplined network of cells (that for some reason has slipped passed our detection) that can coordinate and plan their actions. I'll grant the possibility. But in some states the "presence" might be a single "cell" of 4 or 5 folks whose members may not be nearly as committed or competent. These jihadis are young. They settle here, settle down, and get a job. Sure, many if not most are "sleepers", but some of them even "grow up" and leave the folly of their youth behind them. Prepare for the worst, but I would not bank on all "cells" being "100% combat effective". Even American soldiers go AWOL.

The organization in Iraq is my benchmark for the worst-case scenario - - a few thousand fighters nationwide (at the extreme) who have difficulty coordinating their actions and are easily mopped up once they present themselves. I have difficulty accepting the premise that they can build a tighter or larger network here than there.

Not to say they could not bring about the "single day of horror" we have been warned about. I just think that they cannot wage a sustained and effective paramilitary operation in the weeks afterwards to exploit the chaos. It would be scattershot. Same way as an Iranian or DPRK ICBM would be an effective "terror" tool, but not as a militarily useful weapon (unless the Chinese gave them the guidance systems they stole from us).

Creating chaos and killing lots of civilians is not the same as being militarily effective. Even the "terror" part will backfire as it will just make us angrier and more determined. They don't like 150,000 troops in Iraq? Wait until volunteers line up in waves to take revenge for the WMD strikes and we all beg for a draft. We'll send *millions* of troops to take apart the region village by village, town by town, city by city. If we don't demand the President launch several hundred of our three thousand (or more) nuclear warheads or face impeachment.

These idiots have no idea what they would set in motion if they were to try multiple mass casualty strikes. They would likely have signed the death warrants of most of the people they know.

If they wanted to do something truly "heroic", they would save their people and their families from this retribution and total annihilation by turning on and turning in the madmen who are leading them down this path . . .

They might even be granted a personal "amnesty" if they acted now, before it is too late . . .

Desired Outcome

Timed for maximal effectiveness in coordination with one or more regional military operations conducted by their state sponsor(s).

Wouldn't it be a "kick" if someone could trace one of the laptop photos to the movements of the Iranian diplomatic personnel in NYC that were expelled both last year, and again just last month (an Iranian instead of an AQ surveillance cell)?

[JustPiper]

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[Fred Nerks]

"Do you have the text?"

Thanks for the update. All looking forward to translation of the message and thanks to the # guy in advance, too.