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Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate
National Geographic News ^ | July 23, 2004 | James Owen

Posted on 07/24/2004 2:58:27 PM PDT by Cracker72

Birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it. So go the lyrics penned by U.S. songwriter Cole Porter. Porter, who first hit it big in the 1920s, wouldn't risk parading his homosexuality in public. In his day "the birds and the bees" generally meant only one thing—sex between a male and female.

But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.

Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.

Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.

Filmmakers recently went in search of homosexual wild animals as part of a National Geographic Ultimate Explorer documentary about the female's role in the mating game. (The film, Girl Power, will be screened in the U.S this Saturday at 8 p.m. ET, 5 p.m PT on MSNBC TV.)

The team caught female Japanese macaques engaged in intimate acts which, if observed in humans, would be in the X-rated category.

"The homosexual behavior that goes on is completely baffling and intriguing," says National Geographic Ultimate Explorer correspondent, Mireya Mayor. "You would have thought females that want to be mated, especially over their fertile period, would be seeking out males."

Well, perhaps, in a roundabout way, they are seeking males, suggests primatologist Amy Parish.

She argues that female macaques may enhance their social position through homosexual intimacy which in turn influences breeding success. Parish says, "Taking something that's nonreproductive, like mounting another female—if it leads to control of a resource or acquisition of a resource or a good alliance partner, that could directly impact your reproductive success."

Sexual Gratification

On the other hand, they could just be enjoying themselves, suggests Paul Vasey, animal behavior professor at the University of Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. "They're engaging in the behavior because it's gratifying sexually or it's sexually pleasurable," he says. "They just like it. It doesn't have any sort of adaptive payoff."

Matthew Grober, biology professor at Georgia State University, agrees, saying, "If [sex] wasn't fun, we wouldn't have any kids around. So I think that maybe Japanese macaques have taken the fun aspect of sex and really run with it."

The bonobo, an African ape closely related to humans, has an even bigger sexual appetite. Studies suggest 75 percent of bonobo sex is nonreproductive and that nearly all bonobos are bisexual. Frans de Waal, author of Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape, calls the species a "make love, not war" primate. He believes bonobos use sex to resolve conflicts between individuals.

Other animals appear to go through a homosexual phase before they become fully mature. For instance, male dolphin calves often form temporary sexual partnerships, which scientists believe help to establish lifelong bonds. Such sexual behavior has been documented only relatively recently. Zoologists have been accused of skirting round the subject for fear of stepping into a political minefield.

"There was a lot of hiding of what was going on, I think, because people were maybe afraid that they would get into trouble by talking about it," notes de Waal. Whether it's a good idea or not, it's hard not make comparisons between humans and other animals, especially primates. The fact that homosexuality does, after all, exist in the natural world is bound to be used against people who insist such behavior is unnatural.

In the U.S., in particular, the moral debate over this issue rages on. Many on the religious right regard homosexuality as a sin. And only this month, President Bush vowed to continue his bid to ban gay marriages after the Senate blocked the proposal.

Already, cases of animal homosexuality have been cited in successful court cases brought against states like Texas, where gay sex was, until recently, illegal.

Yet scientists say we should be wary of referring to animals when considering what's acceptable in human society. For instance, infanticide, as practiced by lions and many other animals, isn't something people, gay or straight, generally approve of in humans.

Human Homosexuality

So how far can we go in using animals to help us understand human homosexuality? Robin Dunbar is a professor of evolutionary psychology at the University of Liverpool, England. "The bottom line is that anything that happens in other primates, and particularly other apes, is likely to have strong evolutionary continuity with what happens in humans," he said.

Dunbar says the bonobo's use of homosexual activity for social bonding is a possible example, adding, "One of the main arguments for human homosexual behavior is that it helps bond male groups together, particularly where a group of individuals are dependent on each other, as they might be in hunting or warfare."

For instance, the Spartans, in ancient Greece, encouraged homosexuality among their elite troops. "They had the not unreasonable belief that individuals would stick by and make all efforts to rescue other individuals if they had a lover relationship," Dunbar added.

Another suggestion is that homosexuality is a developmental phase people go through. He said, "This is similar to the argument of play in young animals to get their brain and muscles to work effectively and together. Off the back of this, there's the possibility you can get individuals locked into this phase for the rest of their lives as a result of the social environment they grow up in."

But he adds that homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to have a function. It could be a spin-off or by-product of something else and in itself carries no evolutionary weight."

He cites sexual gratification, which encourages procreation, as an example. "An organism is designed to maximize its motivational systems," he adds.

In other words, if the urge to have sex is strong enough it may spill over into nonreproductive sex, as suggested by the actions of the bonobos and macaques. However, as Dunbar admits, there's a long way to go before the causes of homosexuality in humans are fully understood.

He said, "Nobody's really investigated this issue thoroughly, because it's so politically sensitive. It's fair to say all possibilities are still open."


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1 posted on 07/24/2004 2:58:29 PM PDT by Cracker72
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Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate

No new news here.

Homosexuals are animals!

2 posted on 07/24/2004 3:05:11 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: Cracker72

I had a bisexual chicken.


3 posted on 07/24/2004 3:08:25 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Cockroaches do it too. But I discovered a bomb for them. I can create a really big bomb for West Hollywood, but don't have the time.


4 posted on 07/24/2004 3:10:12 PM PDT by BobS
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To: cyborg

You didn't......choke it.....did you?


5 posted on 07/24/2004 3:11:02 PM PDT by keithtoo
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To: Cracker72

Supposedly humans know right from wrong, animals don't. Many animals kill their young. Some fish not only kill their young, they eat them.


6 posted on 07/24/2004 3:12:06 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: Cracker72
Well, perhaps the research should now progress into what is going on. But I fear that social pressure to approve of homosexual activities will trump the truth. When research that indicates the pathological nature of human homsexuality surfaces, political activists retaliate without mercy to silence it. Visit NARTH and read about what happened to an editor of Psychology Today and his views about homosexuality that did not conform to current fashionability.

In the Soviet Union, genetic research with grain production was made to conform to a dialectic meterialism political model, as if nature was confirming Marx in the vegetable kingdom. The result was dependency upon the U.S. for wheat (and the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union, but for a variety of other reasons having to do with scientific economics).

The truth will out eventually (pun intended), and many homosexuals will suffer before it is recognized again as a malady rather than a tendency or choice.

7 posted on 07/24/2004 3:12:27 PM PDT by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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To: keithtoo

Nope hehehe :D


8 posted on 07/24/2004 3:13:17 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: gilliam

Don't rugby players eat their dead?


9 posted on 07/24/2004 3:13:32 PM PDT by TheGeezer (If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
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She argues that female macaques may enhance their social position through homosexual intimacy which in turn influences breeding success.

Much like Paris and Nicole do....

10 posted on 07/24/2004 3:13:56 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: Cracker72

"Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate"

That's better than what it probably stirs over at DU.


11 posted on 07/24/2004 3:14:20 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Cracker72
"Yeah, well, you can farg a woodpile if you pull a log out."---Granpa nothingnew circa 1964

FMCDH(BITS)

12 posted on 07/24/2004 3:15:03 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Barney Frank must have tooted a few horns on the way to the top.


13 posted on 07/24/2004 3:20:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (John kerry is unbalanced)
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To: gilliam

Some animals kill their young and we're suppose to be smarter than they are ? Can I think about that for a while before responding ?

(We "smarter animals" simply refer to the killing of our young as "abortion", so I'm not really sure we're all that much smarter !)


14 posted on 07/24/2004 3:20:47 PM PDT by RightWingNut
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To: Cracker72

I think an article similar to this was posted not long back.

Here is my refutation.

Animals are sexually active only when the female is in estrus or heat. She puts out an odor which informs the males of her predicament and they come running to her.
Because males do not produce this odor how is it possible for them to be sexually attracted to each other?

Some animals are in heat only once a year, deer for example. Others, every few months, dogs and cattle.

To my knowledge only humans are active all the time...AND I'M TOO OLD!

I saw a little boy sitting on the curb crying.
I said why are you crying?
He said,
"I can't do the thing the big boys do."
I sat down and cried with him.


15 posted on 07/24/2004 3:22:46 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like yellow dogs.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Imagine trying justify any behavior based on animal behavior. I guess cannibalism is in too hugh. Eating your own droppings is in. Hmmm, shall we go on. Oh yes, it's okay to lick yourself in public. You can have sex with your siblings if you like. You can eat your young. Perhaps the time for that too, has come for the left, since they are working to destroy those children's future with all their might.

The absurdity of this tactic should be rather readily appearant.


16 posted on 07/24/2004 3:22:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fox News is Fair and Balanced. Move-on.org is Bare and Imbalanced.)
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To: Cracker72
For instance, infanticide, as practiced by lions and many other animals, isn't something people, gay or straight, generally approve of in humans.

But it is fully endorsed by the Democrat Party where protecting the unborn child is unthinkable.

17 posted on 07/24/2004 3:23:01 PM PDT by catpuppy (Ignore Their Lies. ELECT KERRY-EDWARDS-WILSON-BERGER! Forget Michael. He ain't invited.)
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To: Cracker72

I have never heard of an animal preferring the same sex exclusively. They fool around with same gender encounters, but when the real deal is available, that's what they want.


18 posted on 07/24/2004 3:23:28 PM PDT by Wycowboy
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To: TheGeezer
Don't rugby players eat their dead?

Couldn't say, but rugby players do have balls of leather.

19 posted on 07/24/2004 3:23:46 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Cracker72

." Off the back of this, there's the possibility you can get individuals locked into this phase for the rest of their lives as a result of the social environment they grow up in."

Or as I was told in my psychology class about fifty years ago,
homosexuality is a kind of arrested sexual development.


20 posted on 07/24/2004 3:25:03 PM PDT by RobbyS
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