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Group says it may have found missing H-bomb off Georgia's coast
AP Wire ^ | Jul. 21, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/21/2004 8:27:55 AM PDT by show me state

WASSAW ISLAND, Ga. - A group says it might have discovered a missing hydrogen bomb that the Air Force accidentally dropped off the Georgia coast more than 45 years ago.

Derek Duke, a retired Air Force colonel, and others used equipment that detects radiation and large metal objects Tuesday to scour an area the size of a football field in Wassau Sound, a shallow area near Tybee Beach.

Duke said that radiation levels were seven to 10 times greater than normal at one spot. The group then detected a massive underwater object, he said.

"It might be nothing," Duke said. "Our big question now is, 'What do we do next?'"

Billy Mullins, associate director of Air Force Nuclear Weapons and Counterproliferation Agency, said that the bomb is best left alone.

The bomb is probably entombed in 20 feet of mud, he said.

"If you want to determine for sure that it was the (nuclear bomb), you would have to dig it up with a big dredging type of operation," Mullins said.

He said that presents two risks: The dredge could hit the bomb and detonate the high explosives, threatening the salvage crew, and an explosion might blow a hole in a clay layer protecting an aquifer that supplies drinking water to Savannah.

"We really don't think it's in the best interest in the safety of Savannah to be digging around there when it's perfectly safe where it is," Mullins said.

The bomb contains uranium and 400 pounds of explosives, but doesn't have a plutonium capsule, Mullins said. With no capsule, the bomb is incapable of creating a nuclear explosion.

Duke and others remain concerned that the plutonium capsule is in the bomb.

"If this is indeed the spot where the bomb is, the Air Force needs to come in and come clean," Duke said.

The crew of a B-47 accidentally dropped the 7,600-pound H-bomb in 1958 after it collided with another jet fighter. The military searched for the bomb for three months.

Duke said he plans to take the results of the search to labs for analysis. He is considering whether to hand over his findings to the Air Force or Georgia environmental officials.


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Search may resume for nuclear bomb lost off Georgia coast in 1950s

Old Nuclear Bomb Lost off Georgia's Coast

1 posted on 07/21/2004 8:27:57 AM PDT by show me state
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To: show me state
The bomb contains uranium and 400 pounds of explosives, but doesn't have a plutonium capsule, Mullins said. With no capsule, the bomb is incapable of creating a nuclear explosion.

Would make for one helluva dirty bomb, though...

2 posted on 07/21/2004 8:30:00 AM PDT by bikepacker67 (Sandy wasn't stuffing his socks, he was stuffing A sock.)
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To: bikepacker67

Well just leave it there for some radical Islam group to dig up.


3 posted on 07/21/2004 8:35:49 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: show me state
Duke said that radiation levels were seven to 10 times greater than normal at one spot. The group then detected a massive underwater object, he said.

"It might be nothing," Duke said.

"Massive underwater objects leaking radiation are usually no big deal."

4 posted on 07/21/2004 8:36:05 AM PDT by ICX (This tagline was inadvertently removed from the National Archives.)
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To: show me state
"Our big question now is, 'What do we do next?'"

Whatever you do, don't cut the red wire.

5 posted on 07/21/2004 8:36:42 AM PDT by randog
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To: show me state

This is only peripherally related, but this article made me wonder if any of the (decommissioned) atomic weapons of this era are available for public viewing, either on the web or in museums.

I suppose its possible that the designs are still classified, but it would be really interesting to see what the insides of these things looked like. They were truly state of the art devices in their time.


6 posted on 07/21/2004 8:37:20 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: show me state; biblewonk
The crew of a B-47 accidentally dropped the 7,600-pound H-bomb in 1958 after it collided with another jet fighter. The military searched for the bomb for three months.

I think I'm starting to understand why George Carlin used to say "military intelligence" is an oxymoron.

7 posted on 07/21/2004 8:38:04 AM PDT by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a REAL capitalist!)
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To: Always Right
Well just leave it there for some radical Islam group to dig up

Its a win-win for them. If they're successful, they have a formerly-operational atomic weapon.

If they aren't then they might "blow a hole in a clay layer protecting an aquifer that supplies drinking water to Savannah", which I'm sure they wouldn't mind doing either.
8 posted on 07/21/2004 8:39:28 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: newgeezer

If you think this incident excuses George Carlin's idiocy, think again ...


9 posted on 07/21/2004 8:40:58 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: babyface00

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/

Enjoy.


10 posted on 07/21/2004 8:43:30 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Be a Dollar a Day FReeper, and SMILE when you get your Mastercard bill!)
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To: newgeezer

Its my understanding that the Bomber carrying this weapon was involved in an accident with the fighter and there was an actual decision made to dump the bomb before attempting a landing. It would certainly suck to have your Bomber (i.e. flying gas-tank) explode on the runway and scatter uranium around everywhere.

If this is the incident Im thinking about, whoever made those decisions gets 2 thumbs up from me.


11 posted on 07/21/2004 8:43:51 AM PDT by Dekan
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To: babyface00
This is only peripherally related, but this article made me wonder if any of the (decommissioned) atomic weapons of this era are available for public viewing, either on the web or in museums.

You only get to see the outside.

USAF Museum Strategic Weapons Gallery

12 posted on 07/21/2004 8:47:58 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Sandy, is that a top secret document in your pants or are you just happy to see me?)
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To: show me state
The bomb is probably entombed in 20 feet of mud, he said.

"If you want to determine for sure that it was the (nuclear bomb), you would have to dig it up with a big dredging type of operation," Mullins said.

Any underwater treasure hunter will tell you that this isn't true. Do you suppose that an underwater vacuum system might be used to excavate the bomb? How about a coffer dam? They said the water wasn't 'deep'.

The Navy will usually go to great lengths to recover lost ordnance, like WW2 torpedoes, if they present a hazard. I can't believe the lax attitude of the Air Force on this one.

13 posted on 07/21/2004 8:49:07 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Dekan
Its my understanding that the Bomber carrying this weapon was involved in an accident

You are correct.

That loss came Feb. 5, 1958, when a B-47 bomber on a training mission collided in mid-air with a smaller jet and was struggling to land at what then was Hunter Air Base, at that time a Strategic Air Command facility. It is now known as Hunter Army Airfield.

According to news accounts from the time and official Air Force reports, the pilot of the B-47 decided he could not safely land the plane with the bomb on board and headed back out to sea to dump it. Without sophisticated radar or global positioning systems available today, the exact location of the plane when it dropped the bomb is unknown.

14 posted on 07/21/2004 8:50:56 AM PDT by show me state
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To: show me state
DemoCRAT reaction

What did Bush know?! When did he know it?!

15 posted on 07/21/2004 8:51:07 AM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: show me state

Bombie....they found you !

....um....uh....can Muttly have him back ?!!!


16 posted on 07/21/2004 8:54:03 AM PDT by PoorMuttly ("I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.")
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Whoa. That sight is almost information overload.

I'll have to check it out.

Thanks!


17 posted on 07/21/2004 8:55:12 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: show me state
"The group then detected a massive underwater object, he said."

Has Ronstadt been scuba diving off the coast of Georgia?

18 posted on 07/21/2004 8:58:24 AM PDT by mass55th (We are The Knights Who Say "Ni!" No! Not The Knights Who Say "Ni!" The same!)
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To: Dekan

In those days...SAC bomber pilots had checklists and air-control towers had them as well...and everyone went by the checklist (unlike today's fighter-pilot managers). It was a simple item on a checklist somewhere, and someone had sat down and thought about what to do. Under no circumstances would you land a damaged plane with nukes onboard. Its a absolute mixture for disaster.

As for what to do with the possible bomb...nothing. If you try to remove...you are tempting fate and will likely cause an accident.


19 posted on 07/21/2004 8:59:09 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: bikepacker67
Would make for one helluva dirty bomb, though...

A dirty bomb is made from the left-over dirty isotopes from material that has previously undergone nuclear reactions. This would not make a helluva dirty bomb unless it was put into a nuclear reactor for some time.

20 posted on 07/21/2004 8:59:42 AM PDT by cinFLA
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