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The True Story of The Patton Prayer
The Patton Society ^ | 6 October 1971 | Msgr. James H. O'Neill

Posted on 07/19/2004 5:04:30 PM PDT by flowerjoyfun

The True Story of The Patton Prayer
by Msgr. James H. O'Neill
(From the Review of the News 6 October 1971)

Many conflicting and some untrue stories have been printed about General George S. Patton and the Third Army Prayer. Some have had the tinge of blasphemy and disrespect for the Deity. Even in "War As I Knew It" by General Patton, the footnote on the Prayer by Colonel Paul D. Harkins, Patton's Deputy Chief of Staff, while containing the elements of a funny story about the General and his Chaplain, is not the true account of the prayer Incident or its sequence.
As the Chief Chaplain of the Third Army throughout the five campaigns on the Staff of General Patton, I should have some knowledge of the event because at the direction of General Patton I composed the now world famous Prayer, and wrote Training Letter No. 5, which constitutes an integral, but untold part, of the prayer story. These Incidents, narrated in sequence, should serve to enhance the memory of the man himself, and cause him to be enshrined by generations to come as one of the greatest of our soldiers. He had all the traits of military leadership, fortified by genuine trust in God, intense love of country, and high faith In the American soldier.
He had no use for half-measures. He wrote this line a few days before his death: "Anyone in any walk of life who is content with mediocrity is untrue to himself and to American tradition." He was true to the principles of his religion, Episcopalian, and was regular in Church attendance and practices, unless duty made his presence Impossible.
The incident of the now famous Patton Prayer commenced with a telephone call to the Third Army Chaplain on the morning of December 8, 1944, when the Third Army Headquarters were located in the Caserne Molifor in Nancy, France: "This is General Patton; do you have a good prayer for weather? We must do something about those rains if we are to win the war." My reply was that I know where to look for such a prayer, that I would locate, and report within the hour. As I hung up the telephone receiver, about eleven in the morning, I looked out on the steadily falling rain, "immoderate" I would call it -- the same rain that had plagued Patton's Army throughout the Moselle and Saar Campaigns from September until now, December 8. The few prayer books at hand contained no formal prayer on weather that might prove acceptable to the Army Commander. Keeping his immediate objective in mind, I typed an original and an improved copy on a 5" x 3" filing card:
Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish Thy justice among men and nations.
I pondered the question, What use would General Patton make of the prayer? Surely not for private devotion. If he intended it for circulation to chaplains or others, with Christmas not far removed, it might he proper to type the Army Commander's Christmas Greetings on the reverse side. This would please the recipient, and anything that pleased the men I knew would please him:
To each officer and soldier in the Third United States Army, I Wish a Merry Christmas. I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty, and skill in battle. We march in our might to complete victory. May God's blessings rest upon each of you on this Christmas Day. G.S. Patton, Jr, Lieutenant General, Commanding, Third United States Army.
This done, I donned my heavy trench coat, crossed the quadrangle of the old French military barracks, and reported to General Patton. He read the prayer copy, returned it to me with a very casual directive, "Have 250,000 copies printed and see to it that every man in the Third Army gets one." The size of the order amazed me; this was certainly doing something about the weather in a big way. But I said nothing but the usual, "Very well, Sir!" Recovering, I invited his attention to the reverse side containing the Christmas Greeting, with his name and rank typed. "Very good," he said, with a smile of approval. "If the General would sign the card, it would add a personal touch that I am sure the men would like." He took his place at his desk, signed the card, returned it to me and then Said: "Chaplain, sit down for a moment; I want to talk to you about this business of prayer." He rubbed his face in his hands, was silent for a moment, then rose and walked over to the high window, and stood there with his back toward me as he looked out on the falling rain. As usual, he was dressed stunningly, and his six-foot-two powerfully built physique made an unforgettable silhouette against the great window. The General Patton I saw there was the Army Commander to whom the welfare of the men under him was a matter of Personal responsibility . Even in the heat of combat he could take time out to direct new methods to prevent trench feet, to see to it that dry socks went forward daily with the rations to troops on the line, to kneel in the mud administering morphine and caring for a wounded soldier until the ambulance Came. What was coming now?
" Chaplain, how much praying is being done in the Third Army?" was his question. I parried: "Does the General mean by chaplains, or by the men?" "By everybody," he replied. To this I countered: "I am afraid to admit it, but I do not believe that much praying is going on. When there Is fighting, everyone prays, but now with this constant rain -- when things are quiet, dangerously quiet, men just sit and wait for things to happen. Prayer out here is difficult. Both chaplains and men are removed from a special building with a steeple. Prayer to most of them is a formal, ritualized affair, involving special posture and a liturgical setting. I do not believe that much praying is being done."
The General left the window, and again seated himself at his desk, leaned back in his swivel chair, toying with a long lead pencil between his index fingers.
Chaplain, I am a strong believer in Prayer. There are three ways that men get what they want; by planning, by working, and by Praying. Any great military operation takes careful planning, or thinking. Then you must have well-trained troops to carry it out: that's working. But between the plan and the operation there is always an unknown. That unknown spells defeat or victory, success or failure. It is the reaction of the actors to the ordeal when it actually comes. Some people call that getting the breaks; I call it God. God has His part, or margin in everything, That's where prayer comes in. Up to now, in the Third Army, God has been very good to us. We have never retreated; we have suffered no defeats, no famine, no epidemics. This is because a lot of people back home are praying for us. We were lucky in Africa, in Sicily, and in Italy. Simply because people prayed. But we have to pray for ourselves, too. A good soldier is not made merely by making him think and work. There is something in every soldier that goes deeper than thinking or working--it's his "guts." It is something that he has built in there: it is a world of truth and power that is higher than himself. Great living is not all output of thought and work. A man has to have intake as well. I don't know what you it, but I call it Religion, Prayer, or God.
He talked about Gideon in the Bible, said that men should pray no matter where they were, in church or out of it, that if they did not pray, sooner or later they would "crack up." To all this I commented agreement, that one of the major training objectives of my office was to help soldiers recover and make their lives effective in this third realm, prayer. It would do no harm to re-impress this training on chaplains. We had about 486 chaplains in the Third Army at that time, representing 32 denominations. Once the Third Army had become operational, my mode of contact with the chaplains had been chiefly through Training Letters issued from time to time to the Chaplains in the four corps and the 22 to 26 divisions comprising the Third Army. Each treated of a variety of subjects of corrective or training value to a chaplain working with troops in the field. [Patton continued:]
I wish you would put out a Training Letter on this subject of Prayer to all the chaplains; write about nothing else, just the importance of prayer. Let me see it before you send it. We've got to get not only the chaplains but every man in the Third Army to pray. We must ask God to stop these rains. These rains are that margin that hold defeat or victory. If we all pray, it will be like what Dr. Carrel said [the allusion was to a press quote some days previously when Dr. Alexis Carrel, one of the foremost scientists, described prayer "as one of the most powerful forms of energy man can generate"], it will be like plugging in on a current whose source is in Heaven. I believe that prayer completes that circuit. It is power.
With that the General arose from his chair, a sign that the interview was ended. I returned to my field desk, typed Training Letter No. 5 while the "copy" was "hot," touching on some or all of the General's reverie on Prayer, and after staff processing, presented it to General Patton on the next day. The General read it and without change directed that it be circulated not only to the 486 chaplains, but to every organization commander down to and including the regimental level. Three thousand two hundred copies were distributed to every unit in the Third Army over my signature as Third Army Chaplain. Strictly speaking, it was the Army Commander's letter, not mine. Due to the fact that the order came directly from General Patton, distribution was completed on December 11 and 12 in advance of its date line, December 14, 1944. Titled "Training Letter No. 5," with the salutary "Chaplains of the Third Army," the letter continued: "At this stage of the operations I would call upon the chaplains and the men of the Third United States Army to focus their attention on the importance of prayer.
" Our glorious march from the Normandy Beach across France to where we stand, before and beyond the Siegfried Line, with the wreckage of the German Army behind us should convince the most skeptical soldier that God has ridden with our banner. Pestilence and famine have not touched us. We have continued in unity of purpose. We have had no quitters; and our leadership has been masterful. The Third Army has no roster of Retreats. None of Defeats. We have no memory of a lost battle to hand on to our children from this great campaign.
" But we are not stopping at the Siegfried Line. Tough days may be ahead of us before we eat our rations in the Chancellery of the Deutsches Reich.
" As chaplains it is our business to pray. We preach its importance. We urge its practice. But the time is now to intensify our faith in prayer, not alone with ourselves, but with every believing man, Protestant, Catholic, Jew, or Christian in the ranks of the Third United States Army.
" Those who pray do more for the world than those who fight; and if the world goes from bad to worse, it is because there are more battles than prayers. 'Hands lifted up,' said Bosuet, 'smash more battalions than hands that strike.' Gideon of Bible fame was least in his father's house. He came from Israel's smallest tribe. But he was a mighty man of valor. His strength lay not in his military might, but in his recognition of God's proper claims upon his life. He reduced his Army from thirty-two thousand to three hundred men lest the people of Israel would think that their valor had saved them. We have no intention to reduce our vast striking force. But we must urge, instruct, and indoctrinate every fighting man to pray as well as fight. In Gideon's day, and in our own, spiritually alert minorities carry the burdens and bring the victories.
" Urge all of your men to pray, not alone in church, but everywhere. Pray when driving. Pray when fighting. Pray alone. Pray with others. Pray by night and pray by day. Pray for the cessation of immoderate rains, for good weather for Battle. Pray for the defeat of our wicked enemy whose banner is injustice and whose good is oppression. Pray for victory. Pray for our Army, and Pray for Peace.
" We must march together, all out for God. The soldier who 'cracks up' does not need sympathy or comfort as much as he needs strength. We are not trying to make the best of these days. It is our job to make the most of them. Now is not the time to follow God from 'afar off.' This Army needs the assurance and the faith that God is with us. With prayer, we cannot fail.
" Be assured that this message on prayer has the approval, the encouragement, and the enthusiastic support of the Third United States Army Commander.
" With every good wish to each of you for a very Happy Christmas, and my personal congratulations for your splendid and courageous work since landing on the beach, I am," etc., etc., signed The Third Army Commander.
The timing of the Prayer story is important: let us rearrange the dates: the "Prayer Conference" with General Patton was 8 December; the 664th Engineer Topographical Company, at the order of Colonel David H. Tulley, C.E., Assistant to the Third Army Engineer, working night and day reproduced 250,000 copies of the Prayer Card; the Adjutant General, Colonel Robert S. Cummings, supervised the distribution of both the Prayer Cards and Training Letter No. 5 to reach the troops by December 12-14. The breakthrough was on December 16 in the First Army Zone when the Germans crept out of the Schnee Eifel Forest in the midst of heavy rains, thick fogs, and swirling ground mists that muffled sound, blotted out the sun, and reduced visibility to a few yards. The few divisions on the Luxembourg frontier were surprised and brushed aside. They found it hard to fight an enemy they could neither see nor hear. For three days it looked to the jubilant Nazis as if their desperate gamble would succeed. They had achieved compete surprise. Their Sixth Panzer Army, rejuvenated in secret after its debacle in France, seared through the Ardennes like a hot knife through butter. The First Army's VIII Corps was holding this area with three infantry divisions (one of them new and in the line only a few days) thinly disposed over an 88-mile front and with one armored division far to the rear, in reserve. The VIII Corps had been in the sector for months. It was considered a semi-rest area and outside of a little patrolling was wholly an inactive position.
When the blow struck the VIII Corps fought with imperishable heroism. The Germans were slowed down but the Corps was too shattered to stop them with its remnants. Meanwhile, to the north, the Fifth Panzer Army was slugging through another powerful prong along the vulnerable boundary between the VIII and VI Corps. Had the bad weather continued there is no telling how far the Germans might have advanced. On the 19th of December, the Third Army turned from East to North to meet the attack. As General Patton rushed his divisions north from the Saar Valley to the relief of the beleaguered Bastogne, the prayer was answered. On December 20, to the consternation of the Germans and the delight of the American forecasters who were equally surprised at the turn-about-the rains and the fogs ceased. For the better part of a week came bright clear skies and perfect flying weather. Our planes came over by tens, hundreds, and thousands. They knocked out hundreds of tanks, killed thousands of enemy troops in the Bastogne salient, and harried the enemy as he valiantly tried to bring up reinforcements. The 101st Airborne, with the 4th, 9th, and 10th Armored Divisions, which saved Bastogne, and other divisions which assisted so valiantly in driving the Germans home, will testify to the great support rendered by our air forces. General Patton prayed for fair weather for Battle. He got it.
It was late in January of 1945 when I saw the Army Commander again. This was in the city of Luxembourg. He stood directly in front of me, smiled: "Well, Padre, our prayers worked. I knew they would." Then he cracked me on the side of my steel helmet with his riding crop. That was his way of saying, "Well done."
(This article appeared as a government document in 1950. At the time it appeared in the Review of the News, Msgr. O'Neill was a retired Brigadier General living in Pueblo, Colorado.)


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To: Salem

:~)


21 posted on 07/19/2004 9:06:14 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: exit82

Lord,
Time and again you spared isreal even when she was disobediant to your will.... I ask in Jesus name that you show us your grace once more and forgive our nation deserving of your wrath, brush aside our enemies that would mock you and your name. Confuse their plans, expose them and humiliate them before the nations. And most of all I pray that your will be done and our hearts are turned toward you again. Thank you for doing this, I pray in Jesus name.... Amen


22 posted on 07/19/2004 9:29:41 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather; Robert Warren Linville; Bea Elysian; holdonnow; Roscoe Karns; onyx; Liz; Fracas; ...

George Washington's Vision of America's Destiny

http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/washington/vision.html

The place was Valley forge, in the cold and bitter winter of 1777. Washington’s army had suffered several reverses and the situation was desperate. Food was scarce. The Continental Congress was not sending supplies or money. Some of the troops did not even have shoes to wear in the snow. Many soldiers were sick and dying from disease and exposure. Morale was at an all-time low and there was great agitation in the Colonies against continued effort to secure our freedom from England. Nevertheless, General Washington was determined to see the struggle through. Anthony Sherman describes the situation:

"When the bold action of our Congress, in asserting the independence of the colonies, became known to the world, we were laughed and scoffed at as silly, presumptuous rebels, whom the British would soon tame into submissions, but undaunted we prepared to make good what we had said. The keen encounter came, and the world knows the result. It is easy and pleasant for those of the present generation to talk and write of the days of ’76, but they little know, neither can they imagine the trials and sufferings of those fearful days. And there is one thing that I much fear, and that is, that the American people no not properly appreciate the boon of freedom. Party spirit is yearly becoming stronger and stronger, and unless it is checked, will, at no distant day, undermine and tumble into ruin the noble structure of the Republic.

"From the opening of the Revolution we experienced all phases of fortune. The darkest period we had, however, was, when Washington retreated to Valley Forge, where he resolved to pass the winter of ’77. Ah! I have often seen the tears coursing down our dear old commander’s care-worn cheeks as he would be conversing with a confidential officer about the condition of his poor soldiers. You have doubtless heard the story of Washington going to the thicket to pray. Well, it is not only true, but he used often to pray in secret for aid and comfort from that God, the interposition of whose providence alone brought us safely through those dark days of tribulation.

"One day, he remained in his quarters nearly the whole of the afternoon, alone. When he came out, his face was a shade paler than usual, and there seemed to be something on his mind of more than ordinary importance. Returning just after dusk he dispatched and orderly to the quarters of the officer I mentioned, who was presently in attendance. After a preliminary conversation, which lasted some half an hour, Washington, gazing upon his companion with that strange look of dignity, which he alone could command, said to the latter.

"I do not know whether it was owing to the anxiety of mind, or what, but this afternoon, as I was sitting at this very table, engaged, in preparing a dispatch, something in the apartment seemed to disturb me. Looking up, I beheld standing exactly opposite me, a singularly beautiful female. So astonished was I, for I had given strict orders not to be disturbed, that it was some moments before I found language to inquire the cause of her presence. A second, third, and even a fourth time did I repeat the question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor other than a slight raising of the eyes. By this time I felt a strange sensation spreading through me. I would have risen, but the riveted gaze of the being before me rendered volition impossible, I essayed once more to address her, but my tongue had become paralyzed. A new influence, mysterious, irresistible took possession of me. All I could do was to gaze steadily, vacantly, at my visitant. Gradually the surrounding atmosphere seemed as though becoming filled with sensations, and grew luminous. Everything about seemed to rarify the mysterious visitor herself becoming more airy, and even more distinct to my sight than before, I now began to feel as one dying, or rather to experience the sensations which I have sometimes imagined accompany dissolution. I did not think I did not reason, I did not move, all were alike impossible. I was only conscious of gazing, fixedly, vacantly, on my companion.

"Presently I heard a voice, saying, 'Son of the Republic, look and learn!' while at the same time my visitor extended her arm and forfinger eastwardly. I now heheld a heavy vapor at some distance, rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon a strange scene. Before me lay stretched out in one vast plain all the countries of the world, Europe, Asia, Africa and America. I saw rolling and tossing, between Europe and America, the billows of the Atlantic, and between Asia and America lay the Pacific. 'Son of the Republic,' said the same mysterious voice as before 'look and learn!'

"At that moment I beheld a dark, shadowy being like an angel, standing, or rather floating in mid air between Europe and America. Dipping water out of the ocean in the hallow of each hand, he sprinkled some on America with his right hand, while he cast upon Europe some with his left. Immediately a dark cloud arose from each of those countries, and they joined in mid ocean. For a while it remained stationary, and then moved slowly westward until it enveloped America in its murky folds. Sharp flashes of lighting now gleamed throughout it at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American people.

"A second time the angel dipped from the ocean, and sprinkled it out as before. The dark cloud was then withdrawn back to the ocean, into whose heaving waves it sank from view. A third time I heard the mysterious voice, 'Son of the Republic, look and learn!'

"I cast my eyes upon America, and beheld villages, cities and towns springing up one after another, until the whole land, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, was dotted with them. Again I heard the mysterious voice say, 'Son of the Republic, the end of a century cometh, look and learn!'

"At this, the dark shadowy angel turned his face southward, and from Africa, I saw an ill omened spectre approaching our land. It flitted slowly over village, town and city, of the latter, the inhabitants of which presently set themselves in battle array, one against the other. As I continued looking, I saw a bright angel, on whose brow rested a crown of light, on which was traced the word Union, bearing the American flag, which he placed between the divided Nation, and said, 'Remember ye are brethren!'

"Instantly, the inhabitants, casting from them their weapons, became friends once more, and united around the national standard. And again I heard the mysterious voice saying, 'Son of the Republic, the second peril is passed, look and learn!'

"And I beheld the villages, towns and cities of America increase in size and numbers, till at last they covered all the land from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and their inhabitants became as countless as the stars of heaven of the sands of the sea shore. And again I heard the mysterious voice saying, 'Son of the Republic, the end of a century cometh, look and learn!'

"At this, the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth, and blew three distinct blasts, and taking water from the ocean sprinkled it out upon Europe, Asia and Africa.

"Then my eyes looked upon a fearful scene. From each of those countries arose thick, black clouds, which soon joined into one, and throughout this mass gleamed a deep red light, by which I saw hordes of armed men, who moving with the cloud, marched by land and sailed by sea to America, which country was presently enveloped in the volume of the cloud. And I dimly saw the vast armies devastate the whole country, and pillage and burn villages, cities and towns that I had beheld springing up. As my ears listened to the thundering of cannon, clashing of swords, and shouts and cries of the millions in mortal combat, I again heard the mysterious voice saying, 'Son of the Republic, look and learn!'

"When the voice had ceased, the dark, shadowy angel placed his trumpet once more to his mouth and blew a long, fearful blast.

"Instantly a light, as from a thousand suns, shone down from above me, and pierced and broke into fragments the dark clouds which enveloped America. At the same time I saw the angel on whose forehead still shone the word UNION, and who bore our national flag in one hand, a sword in the other, descend from heaven, attended by legions of bright spirits. These immediately joined the inhabitants of America, who, I perceived, were well nigh overcome, but who, immediately taking courage again, closed up the broken ranks and renewed the battle. Again amid the fearful noise of the conflict I heard the mysterious voice saying, 'Son of the Republic, look and learn!'

"As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious. Then once more I beheld the villages, towns and cities springing up where they had been before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried in a loud voice to the inhabitants, 'While the stars remain and the heavens send down the dew upon the earth, so long shall the Republic last.'

"And taking from his brow the crown, on which still blazed the word UNION, he placed it upon the standard, while all the men kneeling down said, 'Amen.'

"The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the curling white vapor I had at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself gazing once more on my mysterious visitor, who, in the same mysterious voice that I had heard before, said, 'Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: three perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, passing which, the whole world united shall never be able to prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and Union!'

"We as a nation have passed through two perils, the third and greatest is at our door. It would therefore, be well, that we as American citizens heed the warnings of the Father of our Country.

"This nation was founded by divine revelation and intervention and must be preserved by those same principles. Therefore, let each citizen so order his life that we as a people might be worthy of this same great blessing. THE INTERVENTION OF HEAVEN, that this great Republic might be preserved.

Washington's "Earnest Prayer"

Washington in Prayer

23 posted on 07/19/2004 10:47:16 PM PDT by daisymeme (Money often costs too much, when we make money to spend time.)
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To: Salem; GOPrincess; ChocChipCookie; conshack; SF South Park Republican; Thud; Dark Wing; thatcher; ..
AMERICA AT WAR
At Salem the Soldier's Homepage ~

The indomitable Ann Coulter"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." [Ann Coulter at National Review Online]

 

Great web site Salem ~ thanks!aaaaa

24 posted on 07/19/2004 11:02:57 PM PDT by daisymeme (Money often costs too much, when we make money to spend time.)
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To: daisymeme

Thanks for the information!


25 posted on 07/19/2004 11:59:06 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Salem

Patton Bump


26 posted on 07/20/2004 12:07:08 AM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline does not require Micro$oft Windows.)
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To: daisymeme

Wow! Thank you.


27 posted on 07/20/2004 6:41:51 AM PDT by auboy (When John Kerry says he wants America to know the truth, where does he hide his lightning rod?)
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To: theDentist
And he was also known for his poetry...

And he was also an anti-semite.

28 posted on 07/20/2004 7:06:18 AM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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To: veronica

Yes he was. It is a disappointment.


29 posted on 07/20/2004 7:47:48 AM PDT by theDentist ("John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute.")
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To: veronica

I didn't know about his anti-semitism, but was well aware that he had both a "sacred" and "profane" side to his personality.

He could be eloquent in prayer, or colorful in oratory according to whatever situation he was dealing with.

A former Commander of our American Legion Post served under Patton, and recals that "He was a crazy bastard!" but that he certainly knew how to fight.

A few years ago I came by what is reputed to be the "uncensored" version of Patton's address to his Troops just before D-Day at Normandy. I submitted it to the old Veteran who was not in attendance for the address, but confirmed that it is consistant with Patton's style.

I'd post it here, but it's.... well... kinda inapropriate for "Family" reading. It was sanitized quite a bit for the movie, btw..


30 posted on 07/20/2004 8:31:00 AM PDT by Uncle Jaque ("Bone an' bred in de margins, Bre'r Fox!")
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To: Uncle Jaque; veronica

George Patton had a few Jewish staffers who loved him to death. If Patton was an anti Semite, then he's the kind of anti Semite I like and respect, same as Richrad Nixon. Who cussed Jews in private but came through for Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur war.

My dad was in WW2, worked in logistics support in France for Patton's 3rd Army, has nothing bad to say about General Patton


31 posted on 07/20/2004 8:35:54 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: Coleus

Bump!


32 posted on 07/20/2004 9:40:15 AM PDT by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: daisymeme; George W. Bush; Rennes Templar; Grampa Dave; Doc On The Bay

FAVORITE VERSE FROM THE FIRST LADY


Photo courtesy of the White House.

During a visit to Council Bluffs, Iowa last week, Mrs. Bush stopped at a public library to promote reading. Suddenly, a reporter changed the subject and asked the First Lady about her favorite Scriptures. That interchange is excerpted here:

REPORTER:  Mrs. Bush, do you have a favorite life verse from the Bible, something that speaks to you, or a book of the Bible that really speaks to you?

MRS. BUSH:  I have a lot of favorite verses. One that comes to mind immediately is: We walk by faith, not by sight (II Corinthians 5:7). I think especially now, under the circumstances in our country, when we have so many difficult decisions and we're faced with so many challenges everywhere, and there's a lot of anxiety because of what happened on September 11th, that we do walk by faith and not by sight. We don't know what's going to happen, but we have faith. We have faith in God; we have faith in the people of America.

 

 

 


33 posted on 07/20/2004 6:01:30 PM PDT by Bea Elysian (Paradise is always where love dwells.)
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To: theDentist
OH MY GOD!!

I have NEVER BEFORE read General Patton's Verse.

It Make's George Scott's Performance SO MUCH MORE Poignant!

It ALSO "Presents Us" with a "Dilemma;" Our "ForeBears" have Given us an ARMY inculcated with the "Will" of our "Best & Brightest."

SUCH a "Force" MUST BE USED for the "Good" of our Species!!

WHAT IS THAT "GOOD??"

& THAT is our "Dilemma!!"

Doc

34 posted on 07/20/2004 6:49:38 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: Beau Schott

Beau--thank you for your kind words.


35 posted on 07/20/2004 7:01:40 PM PDT by exit82 (Righteousness exalts a nation......Prov. 14:34)
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To: Walkingfeather

Walkingfeather--from your lips to God's ears. Amen.


36 posted on 07/20/2004 7:02:36 PM PDT by exit82 (Righteousness exalts a nation......Prov. 14:34)
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To: dennisw
I'd heard he was anti-semetic (though he was enraged when he heard of the death camps and the furnaces). I'd be happy to be shown wrong.

BTW: I read his son passd on about 2 or 3 weeks ago.

37 posted on 07/20/2004 7:17:16 PM PDT by theDentist ("John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute.")
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To: theDentist; veronica; flowerjoyfun; exit82; ClearCase_guy; Beau Schott; antonia; Coleus; ...
veronica wrote ~ "And he was also an anti-semite. "

theDentist wrote ~ "I'd heard he was anti-semetic (though he was enraged when he heard of the death camps and the furnaces). I'd be happy to be shown wrong."

Instead of asking us to prove an unfounded sweeping general accusation which you have just thrown out without offering a bit of proof, let alone source, you should prove your accusation first ~ then we might deal with a defense.

Saying that you just 'heard it somewhere' makes you sound like some kind hateful person yourself and not a rational soul who is interested in the facts.

Source your accusation; and because it is so dire source it from three different respectable sources.

General Patton's accomplishments, and his family's, are too great and too real to be left besmirched by the likes of your rumor mongering. ~ Beau

38 posted on 07/22/2004 9:43:47 AM PDT by Beau Schott (Mother nature has a way of taking care of the weak... you hesitate and the lion eats you.)
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To: Beau Schott
Stick it Beau. I've been reading about Patton for 30+ years. I don't make a notation of every book, every article, every documentary, every movie, every radio discussion I ever experienced. Not good enough for you? Too damn bad. If it's such a twist in your knickers, YOU do the research. But for 1 reference, read "General Patton: A Soldier's Life" where it was stated in no uncertain terms.

Try Google, and then whine to all those various sources.

39 posted on 07/22/2004 9:57:49 AM PDT by theDentist ("John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute.")
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To: Beau Schott; veronica
He seems to have been well known for his Jew hatred. Have a look:

The following is an excerpt from Chapter Eight, "Tunisia: The Verdun of the Mediterranean", from the book "The Path to Victory: The Mediterranean Theater in World War II" by Douglas Porch (FSG, May 2004).

"Kicking butt" was the activity of choice for the autocratic, flamboyant, frequently coarse, pistol-packing Patton. Son of a California lawyer, Patton was a paradoxical mélange of humility and megalomania, geniality and rage, heroics and lunacy. From the moment he matriculated at West Point in 1904, Patton had distinguished himself as an ambitious martinet who excelled on the drill field, not in the classroom-indeed, the joke at West Point is that Patton's statue faces away from the library.
Upon graduation, he selected a wife who could assist an ambition considered gargantuan even in Washington, where Second Lieutenant Patton cultivated important generals and politicians such as John J. Pershing, Army chief Leonard Wood, and Secretary of War Stimson.
A severe wound acquired while fighting in the Saint-Mihiel salient in 1918, followed by the award of a Distinguished Service Cross, failed to atone for Patton's outspoken political views, hard drinking, and reckless polo playing in the interwar army. Under the influence of his wife's family of wealthy Massachusetts industrialists, Patton jettisoned his father's Wilsonian principles, as well as the senior Patton's advice that the "club wit" who strives to dominate conversations was seldom a social success.
Prejudice defined Patton's outlook and his conduct. In 1932 he enthusiastically joined then-chief of staff Douglas MacArthur to flush "Communist" Bonus Army marchers from the capital, in the process unceremoniously ejecting from the marchers' encampment the ex-sergeant who had saved his life in France. As chief of army intelligence on Hawaii in 1936, he drew up lists of prominent Japanese-Americans to be seized as "hostages" on the outbreak of war.
His anti-Semitism exceeded by a considerable margin the polite golf club standards of America between the wars. General Joseph Stilwell called Patton a "braggart," while George Marshall's wife publicly admonished Patton that his profanity and "outrageous" statements little became a man who aspired to general rank.

And from a discussion group on Patton:

(Patton)...deserves a little less hero worship than he has gotten. He was a successful general, perhaps, but he was also a racist of the rawest and most vicious kind. His own writings show that he was convinced of the superiority of Northwestern Europeans, except the Irish, and was convinced of the inferiority of nonwhites. He also hated Jews and called Holocaust survivors "subhumans".
While such views were widespread in the officer corps in the 1920's and '30's, Patton carried them to an extreme which hindered his ability to effectively act in the occupation of Germany. He was so far over the edge that I would say that he probably believed in Nordic superiority more than most of Hitler's generals did.
One good source for the history of antiSemitism in the Army is a book called "The 'Jewish Threat' ". It is quite a shocker. While he served his country bravely, we should never forget that indirectly attitudes such as those held by Patton and Lindbergh helped to prevent America from confronting Hitler or offering timely assistance to those he would go on to murder.

And from his own diaries:

Patton's initial impressions of the Jews were not improved when he attended a Jewish religious service at Eisenhower's insistence. His diary entry for September 17, 1945, reads in part: "This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected in a large, wooden building, which they called a synagogue. It behooved General Eisenhower to make a speech to them. We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the General . . . The smell was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later lost my lunch as the result of remembering it."
These experiences and a great many others firmly convinced Patton that the Jews were an especially unsavory variety of creature and hardly deserving of all the official concern the American government was bestowing on them. Another September diary entry, following a demand from Washington that more German housing be turned over to Jews, summed up his feelings: "Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working. Harrison (a U.S. State Department official) and his associates indicate that they feel German civilians should be removed from houses for the purpose of housing Displaced Persons.
There are two errors in this assumption. First, when we remove an individual German we punish an individual German, while the punishment is -- not intended for the individual but for the race, Furthermore, it is against my Anglo-Saxon conscience to remove a person from a house, which is a punishment, without due process of law. In the second place, Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals."

40 posted on 07/22/2004 10:02:52 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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