The World On Its Head: The Strange Case of Kristine H. and Lisa R.

BreakPoint with Charles Colson ^ | 12 July 04 | Mark Earley

[Mr. Silverback]

Gay Marriage? What could it hurt?

Results of gay marriage in Scandinavia.

Results of gay marriage in Holland

Where it will lead sociologically.

More on Holland (and why contraception, secularization, etc. aren't the reason for the European problems)

Let's be nice, live-and-let-live libertarian types, just like in Canada.
(In Sweden and Canada gay activists got parts of the Bible made "illegal." Do we want to encourage them in the USA?)

Why libertarians should stand up against gay marriage.

Anything else is covered here.

[Mr. Silverback]

Anyone can be a father...even a lesbian.

BreakPoint/Chuck Colson Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my BreakPoint Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

[Jaded]

That's just sick.

[freekitty]

Lisa is in no way, fact or fiction, the presumtive father of this child.

[Mr. Silverback]

Guess you're not as jaded as you thought...:-)

[Mr. Silverback]

Lisa is in no way, fact or fiction, the presumtive father of this child.

You have illustrated the exact problem here: About half the judges will make whatever they darn well please out of the law, rather than deciding cases. Deciding that a woman is a father...no connection to reality there, just a judge seeing a way to make the gayization of the US easier. The only part of this gay marriage debate that gives me any hope is this: It might just make people realize that our best (perhaps only) hope is to begin impeaching every activist judge we can. Just nailing a couple will put the fear of God into most of them, and those who aren't afraid will get their turn at being impeached. It is high time the judicial branch started fearing the people's power, not the other way around.

[etcetera]

"Rather than being the means by which a society safeguards its children’s well being, marriage and family law are becoming a vehicle for adult self-fulfillment."

Makes sense. It's the logical extension of the reasoning that allows unborn children to be murdered with impunity.

[azemt]

Interesting. If the law has to be read as "gender-neutral", what will that do to various laws that have traditionally limited "father's rights?"
There are probably a few men in Californica that could sue to get various divorce settlements and visitation agreements adjusted, in light of this new interpretation of the law.

[Brilliant]

This is the sickest joke I've ever read. Of course, the mainstream media will never mention it.

[GVnana]

he receives the child into his home and openly holds out the child as his natural child.”
How did the court apply this to a woman? By ruling that the statute must be read in a “gender-neutral manner.” As the court acknowledged, the legislature never “expressly” contemplated such a result, but it said that it’s what “gender-neutrality” requires.

The ruling lays bare the heart of homosexual advocacy. The denial of linkage between sex and procreation, and the objectification of children.

[lockeliberty]

a California appeals court ruled that the issue of parentage “cannot rest simply on the parties’ agreement.”

HA!!!!!!!!!! What a bunch of split tongued bastards. Even when allowed within constitutional mandates the fecality of their morality finally explodes and they pick up the feces and call it "Dad". LOL!

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping - I guess I'll have to bring back "The Tsunami of Sewage"(tm). This definitely qualifies. Of course, the last one did too.

This is pure, unadulterated, 200 proof, raw, unrefined, unexpurgated insanity. The kind that destroys individual lives en masse, and whole civilizations if not STOPPED AND STOPPED SOON.

They are saying that children are trash and perverts' sexual wants are worshippable. It sickens and angers me beyond words.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

[familyop]

"HA!!!!!!!!!! What a bunch of split tongued bastards."

And therein lies the main reason the problem continues.

Leslie Ellen Shear and Diane M. Goodman represented Lisa Ann R. The Presiding Justice was Joan Dempsey Klein. Yes, most people have their assumptions, and "bastards" is such a common assumption.

Here's another interesting bit of information about the case.

Legal Services for Children, National Center for Youth Law, Northern California Association of Counsel for Children, Youth Law Center and the Southern California Assisted Reproduction Attorneys (SCARA) were among the organizations that filed briefs in favor of Lisa.

[GeronL]

Califonicators have decided that a lesbian is a father. facsinating.

Can we kick them out of the union? I mean like a divorce!

[GeronL]

a California appeals court ruled that the issue of parentage “cannot rest simply on the parties’ agreement.”

why not?? Isn't it a good idea for contracts to be enforcable? Aren't contracts the very basis of.. oh nobody cares.

[familyop]

"Interesting. If the law has to be read as "gender-neutral", what will that do to various laws that have traditionally limited "father's rights?""

Traditionally, before the abuse of the British monarchy doctrine of parens patriae by earlier American feminist judicial activists, the fathers' right was not limited. Susan B. Anthony and her friends began the American feminist effort to limit that right, and family destruction progressed from there to the current effort in favor of homosexual so-called "marriage." Elizabeth Cady Stanton wrote about her efforts for no-fault divorce in her autobiography.

Many children have been alienated by the divorce industry in recent years from their fathers to be relegated to the mothers who lived with lesbians who now act as "fathers." Feminist and lawyer organizations have been the main advocates of steps toward those custody decisions.

Once the fathers' right as guardians of their children is violated by way of false accusations and general vilifications, the children soon belong to the government.

[familyop]

"Califonicators have decided that a lesbian is a father. facsinating.
Can we kick them out of the union? I mean like a divorce!"

I don't think so--not after decades of brainwashing of the American public (and all countries of formerly western culture). According to the doctrine of romanticism, lesbians are women, therefore, they inherently possess a higher level of morality than men. Besides, lesbians are those extremely sexually attractive chicks who beat up bad guys--the leather-clad women we see so often in the movies, now, right? ...not the hawgs we see in real life in those marches. Why make them angry when a man might get a little...you know--amazonian warrior-ess trim? ...heavy bitter irony and sarcasm here on my part. Is anyone who is reading this even beginning to see how they've been duped, yet?

Compare the way Bill O'Reilly treated Dr. Stephen Baskerville (who wrote what is behind the following URL address and was treated with extreme hostility by Bill on Bill's part of Rupert Murdoch's serial polygamy advocacy news show) to the way he warmed up to Rosie O'Donnell on his show. Bill went off against Stephen to shut him up. When Rosie was on his show, he sucked up to her.

Could your kids be given to 'gay' parents?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163579/posts

And Bill's attitude is only one example of the same attitude shown by hundreds or even thousands of public commentators over the past couple of decades.

With societal effeminacy and romanticism, we reap what we sow.

[GeronL]

If you cannot trust a contract in this country, our entire economy could be wrecked.

[Siamese Princess]

The ruling lays bare the heart of homosexual advocacy. The denial of linkage between sex and procreation, and the objectification of children.

Right, and also the rejection of any kind of common-sense sex role or gender distinctions: a female "father."

[F-117A]

Bump!