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Conservatives crucial to Bush's re-election restive about Iraq war
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | July 11, 2004 | SCOTT LINDLAW

Posted on 07/11/2004 12:03:02 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Conservatives, the backbone of Bush's political base, are increasingly uneasy about the Iraq conflict and the steady drumbeat of violence in postwar Iraq, Halper and some of his fellow Republicans say. The conservatives' anxiety was fueled by the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal and has not abated with the transfer of political power to the interim Iraqi government.

Some Republicans fear angry conservatives will stay home in November, undercutting Bush's re-election bid.

"I don't think there's any question that there is growing restiveness in the Republican base about this war," said Halper, the co-author of a new book, "America Alone: The Neoconservatives and the Global Order."

Another administration official involved in Bush's re-election effort has voiced concern that angry conservatives will sit out the election.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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To: Reagan Man
I haven't experienced the same level of widespread vitriol coming from the rightwings vocal group of malcontents, misfits and militants.

Ha! Looks like you need a course in diplomacy. Any "malcontent, misfit or militant" that reads that statement is going to say, "Fine, you don't need my vote, then". Either we do some things to keep these people happy, people who are law-abiding, tax-paying citizens, BTW, or we ignore them and become a minority party- again. Right now, Rove and Co. are ignoring them, and they will most likely make only empty promises to try to keep them on the farm.

I personally will wear one industrial-sized clothes pin on my nose as I make my vote for W in November, and will then swear off ever voting for anyone from that family ever again. Fool me once...

61 posted on 07/11/2004 1:34:02 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Godspeed, President Reagan.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf; FairOpinion
Unlike some others, I take my vote *very* seriously, and only those that share my principals will get my vote.

I too take my vote seriously, I think most of us do on the FR.

You know I agree with you on the illegal immigration issue. GWB has been a big disappointment in not protecting our borders as well as needed. I'll assume that you'll probably be voting for Michael Petruka of the Constitutional Party come Nov. since Kerry doesn't share your values. I'm not going to criticize you for that.

As for me, I work in a defense plant here in the St. Louis area. If Kerry had his way over the years I'd been laid off a long time ago. I can't ignore that fact.

Its a safe bet that Kerry will carry California. Your vote and Fair Opinions vote don't mean as much as someone in a state somewhat up for grabs like mine. I can't ignore that either.

62 posted on 07/11/2004 1:37:16 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: icebats22
If he gets a second term he better get more Reaganesque and cut spending. No more "compassionate conservatism."

Bush supporters want you to ignore his reckless spending and illegal alien coddling because a vote for the other party is a "vote for terrorism". However, you can bet the farm that his re-election will be spun as a validation of those very policies you're being told to forget about.

I doubt his second term will be any different from the first .

And come 2008, regardless of who the candidates are, you'll be getting the same "terrorism or else" flogging.

63 posted on 07/11/2004 1:39:57 PM PDT by primeval patriot (I'll stay in cowtown, I'll stick around)
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To: Soul Seeker
"But when did reforming the entire middle east become America's priority?"

On September 11th, 2001

That's incorrect. We were told multiple times by this administration that is was Al Qaeda that was the enemy. Not the entire Mid East. Do you actually think you can reform the entire Mid East? You'd probably have a better chance of selling Israili flags at an Ali Baba rally in Downtown Falluja and surviving.

64 posted on 07/11/2004 1:40:16 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Major Matt Mason
>>>Ha! Looks like you need a course in diplomacy. Any "malcontent, misfit or militant" that reads that statement is going to say, "Fine, you don't need my vote, then".

Right! Diplomacy. LOL If you're planning on pinning your nose closed and voting for Bush-Cheney in November, you've made a wise decision. Under the right set of circumstances, being a political "malcontent, misfit or militant" isn't necessarily a bad thing. In 2000 it was. Especially when those personal positions were combined with factions of fringe extremism and reactionary absolutism. A deadly combination indeed.

65 posted on 07/11/2004 1:51:17 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Soul Seeker
This is kinda like what I mean. This was just posted.

Planet Earth Unites in Disdain for American Power The New Zealand Herald [Auckland] ^ | July 12, 2004 | Paul Thomas

Posted on 07/11/2004 11:59:56 AM PDT by XXX

66 posted on 07/11/2004 2:05:34 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

"We were told multiple times by this administration that is was Al Qaeda that was the enemy. Not the entire Mid East."

Did I state the entirety of the Middle east was our enemy? NO.

The region needs to be reformed. But you will not and have not seen me join the chorus of those suggesting we carpet bomb the entire region as an effective solution.

"Do you actually think you can reform the entire Mid East?"

Within a year? No. Within 5 or 10? No. Within considered effort applied for the next 2 generations? YES.

Nazism was defeated. The Berlin wall fell. Slavery in this nation ceased. None of these achievements were accomplished within a short period. Peace in the Middle East will not be the exception.



67 posted on 07/11/2004 3:38:53 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: primeval patriot

"And come 2008, regardless of who the candidates are, you'll be getting the same "terrorism or else" flogging."

I can imagine being reminded that our physical safety is dependant on someone who grasps the nature of the threat is a nuisance. You're correct in assuming this pesky reminder will be an issue in the 2008 election.

Essentially all I hear from you in this post is an attempt to project a bias against the President because he has not responded to your favored issue in the matter you wish. Any acknowledgement for the positives he has accomplished? No. To cite his achievements would weaken the attempts to portray him in an ill light.

You have a disagreement over amnesty and spending? Good for you. So do I. Try a little honesty by admitting that isn't all this President represents.


68 posted on 07/11/2004 3:49:53 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: FairOpinion

OK, but I think come election day, in a state where the polls are running 50/50, a conservative will pull the lever for Bush. Even if he is really angry at the man, they won't take the chance, IMHO.


69 posted on 07/11/2004 3:55:40 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Let them eat amnesty)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak; FairOpinion

P.S. This will be especially true if the Kerry=immigrants with AIDS story is revealed to the public. Seems to have been killed though.


70 posted on 07/11/2004 4:00:20 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Let them eat amnesty)
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To: FairOpinion

---"They also note later in the story that "A Pew Research Center poll last month found that 97 percent of conservative Republicans favored Bush over Kerry."

That means that 3% don't. In a close election, that may be a deciding factor putting Kerry into the White House -- God forbid!---

That 3% probably won't be able to find it's way to a polling place. :^)


71 posted on 07/11/2004 4:03:15 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Reagan Man; FairOpinion
RE: "Maybe in the 2008 election there might be massive defections by conservatives. This isn't the case this time. I really believe you're still caught up in the California recall election."

That's a great point, Reagan Man. I was wondering what was worrying the fellow.

Meanwhile..

RE: A Pew Research Center poll last month found that 97 percent of conservative Republicans favored Bush over Kerry.

FairOpinion what part of 97 out of 100 don't you understand? This is not between two conservatives.

But there are the rights and responsiblities of citizens letting elected leaders know what we think. Some of us have problems with some things the President does. We would like to let him know. Is that asking too much to be permitted in a free country?

This Washington Times article (below) suggests that the Bush Admnistration needs to try harder to address concerns of citizens beyond fiscal conservatives. There are six million evangelicals out there who did not vote in 2000 . The article addresses evangelicals' concerns. Is it asking too much for the Bush administration to recognize citizens' concerns? Isn't six million votes at least worth expending more energy, on B.S. if nothing else?

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040219-115609-3712r.htm

"'If there is a rerun of 2000, when an estimated 6 million fewer evangelical Christians voted than in the pivotal year of 1994, then the Bush ticket will be in trouble, especially if there is no [Ralph] Nader alternative to draw Democratic votes away from the Democratic candidate,' added Mr. Knight, whose organization is an affiliate of Concerned Women for America (CWA) . . .Religious conservatives helped Ronald Reagan win the presidency in the 1980s and helped Republicans retake the House and Senate in 1994, but complain that they have little to show for their loyalty to the GOP." [End excerpt]

Though generally sympathetic to ILLEGAL aliens nevertheless evangelicals recognize that "Illegal immigration must be halted at all costs: any nation that cannot define and defend its borders is hardly a nation at all." (From another source.)

The ILLEGAL aliens problem is where to find the separation between working class conservatives and mainstream Republican Party "cheap labor" conservatives. That's a real problem. Yes, I know that the Rats are worse.

Sorry for the long post. I just want to add the following. It's not germane to the above. No one has to read it, of course.

As far as the war goes I am all for "taking it to the enemy." That means getting rid of a threat and establishing a foothold at the same time. I approve of the policy, neo-con or not. If FDR had to put up with this yapping crap he probably would have interned the whole lot of them. Of course, we were all Americans in those days, few at that time had "moved beyond being Americans."

I do agree with the following however. But guys like Halper must realize that we are in a war the JCS Chairman, Gen. Meyers, has described as perhaps more serious than W.W. II.

"Actually, the neocons were originally liberal hawks," [Scott McConnell, a former neoconservative who broke ranks in the 1990s and is the executive editor of The American Conservative] says. "When I first became a neocon I was a registered Democrat." Prestowitz, author of the recent book Rogue Nation, echoes this. Today's neocons are not conservatives, he told me, but "right-wing Trotskyists" who are every bit as determined as their counterparts on the left once were about revolutionizing the world. Clarke and Halper call them "Wilsonians with guns."

72 posted on 07/11/2004 4:09:45 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Soul Seeker
Did I state the entirety of the Middle east was our enemy? NO.

No, and I didn't say you did. I repeated what you said below.

Iraq is part of a larger strategy. If this country is to be safe we need to reform the Middle East.

I wrote: But when did reforming the entire middle east become America's priority?

And you responded:

On September 11th, 2001

I said,

That's incorrect. We were told multiple times by this administration that is was Al Qaeda that was the enemy. Not the entire Mid East. Do you actually think you can reform the entire Mid East? You'd probably have a better chance of selling Israili flags at an Ali Baba rally in Downtown Falluja and surviving.

I just got done reading this article from Pat Buchanan. It seems to describe your responses. It's seems to echo what your position is.

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The American Conservative ^ | March 24, 2003 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Whose War?

A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest.

by Patrick J. Buchanan

The War Party may have gotten its war. But it has also gotten something it did not bargain for. Its membership lists and associations have been exposed and its motives challenged. In a rare moment in U.S. journalism, Tim Russert put this question directly to Richard Perle: “Can you assure American viewers ... that we’re in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?”

Suddenly, the Israeli connection is on the table, and the War Party is not amused. Finding themselves in an unanticipated firefight, our neoconservative friends are doing what comes naturally, seeking student deferments from political combat by claiming the status of a persecuted minority group. People who claim to be writing the foreign policy of the world superpower, one would think, would be a little more manly in the schoolyard of politics. Not so.

Former Wall Street Journal editor Max Boot kicked off the campaign. When these “Buchananites toss around ‘neoconservative’—and cite names like Wolfowitz and Cohen—it sometimes sounds as if what they really mean is ‘Jewish conservative.’” Yet Boot readily concedes that a passionate attachment to Israel is a “key tenet of neoconservatism.” He also claims that the National Security Strategy of President Bush “sounds as if it could have come straight out from the pages of Commentary magazine, the neocon bible.” (For the uninitiated, Commentary, the bible in which Boot seeks divine guidance, is the monthly of the American Jewish Committee.)

David Brooks of the Weekly Standard wails that attacks based on the Israel tie have put him through personal hell: “Now I get a steady stream of anti-Semitic screeds in my e-mail, my voicemail and in my mailbox. ... Anti-Semitism is alive and thriving. It’s just that its epicenter is no longer on the Buchananite Right, but on the peace-movement left.”

Washington Post columnist Robert Kagan endures his own purgatory abroad: “In London ... one finds Britain’s finest minds propounding, in sophisticated language and melodious Oxbridge accents, the conspiracy theories of Pat Buchanan concerning the ‘neoconservative’ (read: Jewish) hijacking of American foreign policy.”

Lawrence Kaplan of the New Republic charges that our little magazine “has been transformed into a forum for those who contend that President Bush has become a client of ... Ariel Sharon and the ‘neoconservative war party.’”

Referencing Charles Lindbergh, he accuses Paul Schroeder, Chris Matthews, Robert Novak, Georgie Anne Geyer, Jason Vest of the Nation, and Gary Hart of implying that “members of the Bush team have been doing Israel’s bidding and, by extension, exhibiting ‘dual loyalties.’” Kaplan thunders:

The real problem with such claims is not just that they are untrue. The problem is that they are toxic. Invoking the specter of dual loyalty to mute criticism and debate amounts to more than the everyday pollution of public discourse. It is the nullification of public discourse, for how can one refute accusations grounded in ethnicity? The charges are, ipso facto, impossible to disprove. And so they are meant to be.

What is going on here? Slate’s Mickey Kaus nails it in the headline of his retort: “Lawrence Kaplan Plays the Anti-Semitic Card.”

What Kaplan, Brooks, Boot, and Kagan are doing is what the Rev. Jesse Jackson does when caught with some mammoth contribution from a Fortune 500 company he has lately accused of discriminating. He plays the race card. So, too, the neoconservatives are trying to fend off critics by assassinating their character and impugning their motives.

Indeed, it is the charge of “anti-Semitism” itself that is toxic. For this venerable slander is designed to nullify public discourse by smearing and intimidating foes and censoring and blacklisting them and any who would publish them. Neocons say we attack them because they are Jewish. We do not. We attack them because their warmongering threatens our country, even as it finds a reliable echo in Ariel Sharon.

And this time the boys have cried “wolf” once too often. It is not working. As Kaus notes, Kaplan’s own New Republic carries Harvard professor Stanley Hoffman. In writing of the four power centers in this capital that are clamoring for war, Hoffman himself describes the fourth thus:

And, finally, there is a loose collection of friends of Israel, who believe in the identity of interests between the Jewish state and the United States. … These analysts look on foreign policy through the lens of one dominant concern: Is it good or bad for Israel? Since that nation’s founding in 1948, these thinkers have never been in very good odor at the State Department, but now they are well ensconced in the Pentagon, around such strategists as Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

“If Stanley Hoffman can say this,” asks Kaus, “why can’t Chris Matthews?” Kaus also notes that Kaplan somehow failed to mention the most devastating piece tying the neoconservatives to Sharon and his Likud Party.

In a Feb. 9 front-page article in the Washington Post, Robert Kaiser quotes a senior U.S. official as saying, “The Likudniks are really in charge now.” Kaiser names Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith as members of a pro-Israel network inside the administration and adds David Wurmser of the Defense Department and Elliott Abrams of the National Security Council. (Abrams is the son-in-law of Norman Podhoretz, editor emeritus of Commentary, whose magazine has for decades branded critics of Israel as anti-Semites.)

Noting that Sharon repeatedly claims a “special closeness” to the Bushites, Kaiser writes, “For the first time a U.S. administration and a Likud government are pursuing nearly identical policies.” And a valid question is: how did this come to be, and while it is surely in Sharon’s interest, is it in America’s interest?

This is a time for truth. For America is about to make a momentous decision: whether to launch a series of wars in the Middle East that could ignite the Clash of Civilizations against which Harvard professor Samuel Huntington has warned, a war we believe would be a tragedy and a disaster for this Republic. To avert this war, to answer the neocon smears, we ask that our readers review their agenda as stated in their words. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. As Al Smith used to say, “Nothing un-American can live in the sunlight.”

We charge that a cabal of polemicists and public officials seek to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interests. We charge them with colluding with Israel to ignite those wars and destroy the Oslo Accords. We charge them with deliberately damaging U.S. relations with every state in the Arab world that defies Israel or supports the Palestinian people’s right to a homeland of their own. We charge that they have alienated friends and allies all over the Islamic and Western world through their arrogance, hubris, and bellicosity.

Not in our lifetimes has America been so isolated from old friends. Far worse, President Bush is being lured into a trap baited for him by these neocons that could cost him his office and cause America to forfeit years of peace won for us by the sacrifices of two generations in the Cold War.

They charge us with anti-Semitism—i.e., a hatred of Jews for their faith, heritage, or ancestry. False. The truth is, those hurling these charges harbor a “passionate attachment” to a nation not our own that causes them to subordinate the interests of their own country and to act on an assumption that, somehow, what’s good for Israel is good for America.

The Neoconservatives

Who are the neoconservatives? The first generation were ex-liberals, socialists, and Trotskyites, boat-people from the McGovern revolution who rafted over to the GOP at the end of conservatism’s long march to power with Ronald Reagan in 1980.

A neoconservative, wrote Kevin Phillips back then, is more likely to be a magazine editor than a bricklayer. Today, he or she is more likely to be a resident scholar at a public policy institute such as the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) or one of its clones like the Center for Security Policy or the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA). As one wag writes, a neocon is more familiar with the inside of a think tank than an Abrams tank.

Almost none came out of the business world or military, and few if any came out of the Goldwater campaign. The heroes they invoke are Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Harry Truman, Martin Luther King, and Democratic Senators Henry “Scoop” Jackson (Wash.) and Pat Moynihan (N.Y.).

All are interventionists who regard Stakhanovite support of Israel as a defining characteristic of their breed. Among their luminaries are Jeane Kirkpatrick, Bill Bennett, Michael Novak, and James Q. Wilson.

Their publications include the Weekly Standard, Commentary, the New Republic, National Review, and the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. Though few in number, they wield disproportionate power through control of the conservative foundations and magazines, through their syndicated columns, and by attaching themselves to men of power.

Beating the War Drums

When the Cold War ended, these neoconservatives began casting about for a new crusade to give meaning to their lives. On Sept. 11, their time came. They seized on that horrific atrocity to steer America’s rage into all-out war to destroy their despised enemies, the Arab and Islamic “rogue states” that have resisted U.S. hegemony and loathe Israel.

The War Party’s plan, however, had been in preparation far in advance of 9/11. And when President Bush, after defeating the Taliban, was looking for a new front in the war on terror, they put their precooked meal in front of him. Bush dug into it.

Before introducing the script-writers of America’s future wars, consider the rapid and synchronized reaction of the neocons to what happened after that fateful day.

On Sept. 12, Americans were still in shock when Bill Bennett told CNN that we were in “a struggle between good and evil,” that the Congress must declare war on “militant Islam,” and that “overwhelming force” must be used. Bennett cited Lebanon, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, and China as targets for attack. Not, however, Afghanistan, the sanctuary of Osama’s terrorists. How did Bennett know which nations must be smashed before he had any idea who attacked us?

The Wall Street Journal immediately offered up a specific target list, calling for U.S. air strikes on “terrorist camps in Syria, Sudan, Libya, and Algeria, and perhaps even in parts of Egypt.” Yet, not one of Bennett’s six countries, nor one of these five, had anything to do with 9/11.

On Sept. 15, according to Bob Woodward’s Bush at War, “Paul Wolfowitz put forth military arguments to justify a U.S. attack on Iraq rather than Afghanistan.” Why Iraq? Because, Wolfowitz argued in the War Cabinet, while “attacking Afghanistan would be uncertain … Iraq was a brittle oppressive regime that might break easily. It was doable.”

On Sept. 20, forty neoconservatives sent an open letter to the White House instructing President Bush on how the war on terror must be conducted. Signed by Bennett, Podhoretz, Kirkpatrick, Perle, Kristol, and Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer, the letter was an ultimatum. To retain the signers’ support, the president was told, he must target Hezbollah for destruction, retaliate against Syria and Iran if they refuse to sever ties to Hezbollah, and overthrow Saddam. Any failure to attack Iraq, the signers warned Bush, “will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism.”

Here was a cabal of intellectuals telling the Commander-in-Chief, nine days after an attack on America, that if he did not follow their war plans, he would be charged with surrendering to terror. Yet, Hezbollah had nothing to do with 9/11. What had Hezbollah done? Hezbollah had humiliated Israel by driving its army out of Lebanon.

President Bush had been warned. He was to exploit the attack of 9/11 to launch a series of wars on Arab regimes, none of which had attacked us. All, however, were enemies of Israel. “Bibi” Netanyahu, the former Prime Minister of Israel, like some latter-day Citizen Genet, was ubiquitous on American television, calling for us to crush the “Empire of Terror.” The “Empire,” it turns out, consisted of Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq, and “the Palestinian enclave.”

Nasty as some of these regimes and groups might be, what had they done to the United States?

The War Party seemed desperate to get a Middle East war going before America had second thoughts. Tom Donnelly of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) called for an immediate invasion of Iraq. “Nor need the attack await the deployment of half a million troops. … [T]he larger challenge will be occupying Iraq after the fighting is over,” he wrote.

Donnelly was echoed by Jonah Goldberg of National Review: “The United States needs to go to war with Iraq because it needs to go to war with someone in the region and Iraq makes the most sense.”

Goldberg endorsed “the Ledeen Doctrine” of ex-Pentagon official Michael Ledeen, which Goldberg described thus: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business.” (When the French ambassador in London, at a dinner party, asked why we should risk World War III over some “shitty little country”—meaning Israel—Goldberg’s magazine was not amused.)

Ledeen, however, is less frivolous. In The War Against the Terror Masters, he identifies the exact regimes America must destroy:

First and foremost, we must bring down the terror regimes, beginning with the Big Three: Iran, Iraq, and Syria. And then we have to come to grips with Saudi Arabia. … Once the tyrants in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Saudi Arabia have been brought down, we will remain engaged. …We have to ensure the fulfillment of the democratic revolution. … Stability is an unworthy American mission, and a misleading concept to boot. We do not want stability in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and even Saudi Arabia; we want things to change. The real issue is not whether, but how to destabilize.

Rejecting stability as “an unworthy American mission,” Ledeen goes on to define America’s authentic “historic mission”:

Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. … [W]e must destroy them to advance our historic mission.

Passages like this owe more to Leon Trotsky than to Robert Taft and betray a Jacobin streak in neoconservatism that cannot be reconciled with any concept of true conservatism.

To the Weekly Standard, Ledeen’s enemies list was too restrictive. We must not only declare war on terror networks and states that harbor terrorists, said the Standard, we should launch wars on “any group or government inclined to support or sustain others like them in the future.”

Robert Kagan and William Kristol were giddy with excitement at the prospect of Armageddon. The coming war “is going to spread and engulf a number of countries. … It is going to resemble the clash of civilizations that everyone has hoped to avoid. … [I]t is possible that the demise of some ‘moderate’ Arab regimes may be just round the corner.”

Norman Podhoretz in Commentary even outdid Kristol’s Standard, rhapsodizing that we should embrace a war of civilizations, as it is George W. Bush’s mission “to fight World War IV—the war against militant Islam.” By his count, the regimes that richly deserve to be overthrown are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil (Iraq, Iran, North Korea). At a minimum, the axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as ‘“friends” of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority. Bush must reject the “timorous counsels” of the “incorrigibly cautious Colin Powell,” wrote Podhoretz, and “find the stomach to impose a new political culture on the defeated” Islamic world. As the war against al-Qaeda required that we destroy the Taliban, Podhoretz wrote,

We may willy-nilly find ourselves forced … to topple five or six or seven more tyrannies in the Islamic world (including that other sponsor of terrorism, Yasir Arafat’s Palestinian Authority). I can even [imagine] the turmoil of this war leading to some new species of an imperial mission for America, whose purpose would be to oversee the emergence of successor governments in the region more amenable to reform and modernization than the despotisms now in place. … I can also envisage the establishment of some kind of American protectorate over the oil fields of Saudi Arabia, as we more and more come to wonder why 7,000 princes should go on being permitted to exert so much leverage over us and everyone else.

Podhoretz credits Eliot Cohen with the phrase “World War IV.” Bush was shortly thereafter seen carrying about a gift copy of Cohen’s book that celebrates civilian mastery of the military in times of war, as exhibited by such leaders as Winston Churchill and David Ben Gurion.

A list of the Middle East regimes that Podhoretz, Bennett, Ledeen, Netanyahu, and the Wall Street Journal regard as targets for destruction thus includes Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, and “militant Islam.”

Cui Bono? For whose benefit these endless wars in a region that holds nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam?

Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud.

Indeed, Sharon has been everywhere the echo of his acolytes in America. In February 2003, Sharon told a delegation of Congressmen that, after Saddam’s regime is destroyed, it is of “vital importance” that the United States disarm Iran, Syria, and Libya.

“We have a great interest in shaping the Middle East the day after” the war on Iraq, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz told the Conference of Major American Jewish Organizations. After U.S. troops enter Baghdad, the United States must generate “political, economic, diplomatic pressure” on Tehran, Mofaz admonished the American Jews.

Are the neoconservatives concerned about a war on Iraq bringing down friendly Arab governments? Not at all. They would welcome it.

“Mubarak is no great shakes,” says Richard Perle of the President of Egypt. “Surely we can do better than Mubarak.” Asked about the possibility that a war on Iraq—which he predicted would be a “cakewalk”—might upend governments in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, former UN ambassador Ken Adelman told Joshua Micah Marshall of Washington Monthly, “All the better if you ask me.”

On July 10, 2002, Perle invited a former aide to Lyndon LaRouche named Laurent Murawiec to address the Defense Policy Board. In a briefing that startled Henry Kissinger, Murawiec named Saudi Arabia as “the kernel of evil, the prime mover, the most dangerous opponent” of the United States.

Washington should give Riyadh an ultimatum, he said. Either you Saudis “prosecute or isolate those involved in the terror chain, including the Saudi intelligence services,” and end all propaganda against Israel, or we invade your country, seize your oil fields, and occupy Mecca.

In closing his PowerPoint presentation, Murawiec offered a “Grand Strategy for the Middle East.” “Iraq is the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia the strategic pivot, Egypt the prize.” Leaked reports of Murawiec’s briefing did not indicate if anyone raised the question of how the Islamic world might respond to U.S. troops tramping around the grounds of the Great Mosque.

What these neoconservatives seek is to conscript American blood to make the world safe for Israel. They want the peace of the sword imposed on Islam and American soldiers to die if necessary to impose it.

Washington Times editor at large Arnaud de Borchgrave calls this the “Bush-Sharon Doctrine.” “Washington’s ‘Likudniks,’” he writes, “have been in charge of U.S. policy in the Middle East since Bush was sworn into office.”

The neocons seek American empire, and Sharonites seek hegemony over the Middle East. The two agendas coincide precisely. And though neocons insist that it was Sept. 11 that made the case for war on Iraq and militant Islam, the origins of their war plans go back far before.

“Securing the Realm”

The principal draftsman is Richard Perle, an aide to Sen. Scoop Jackson, who, in 1970, was overheard on a federal wiretap discussing classified information from the National Security Council with the Israeli Embassy. In Jews and American Politics, published in 1974, Stephen D. Isaacs wrote, “Richard Perle and Morris Amitay command a tiny army of Semitophiles on Capitol Hill and direct Jewish power in behalf of Jewish interests.” In 1983, the New York Times reported that Perle had taken substantial payments from an Israeli weapons manufacturer.

In 1996, with Douglas Feith and David Wurmser, Perle wrote “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm,” for Prime Minister Netanyahu. In it, Perle, Feith, and Wurmser urged Bibi to ditch the Oslo Accords of the assassinated Yitzak Rabin and adopt a new aggressive strategy:

Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq—an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right—as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria’s regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq.

In the Perle-Feith-Wurmser strategy, Israel’s enemy remains Syria, but the road to Damascus runs through Baghdad. Their plan, which urged Israel to re-establish “the principle of preemption,” has now been imposed by Perle, Feith, Wurmser & Co. on the United States.

In his own 1997 paper, “A Strategy for Israel,” Feith pressed Israel to re-occupy “the areas under Palestinian Authority control,” though “the price in blood would be high.”

Wurmser, as a resident scholar at AEI, drafted joint war plans for Israel and the United States “to fatally strike the centers of radicalism in the Middle East. Israel and the United States should … broaden the conflict to strike fatally, not merely disarm, the centers of radicalism in the region—the regimes of Damascus, Baghdad, Tripoli, Tehran, and Gaza. That would establish the recognition that fighting either the United States or Israel is suicidal.”

He urged both nations to be on the lookout for a crisis, for as he wrote, “Crises can be opportunities.” Wurmser published his U.S.-Israeli war plan on Jan. 1, 2001, nine months before 9/11.

About the Perle-Feith-Wurmser cabal, author Michael Lind writes:

The radical Zionist right to which Perle and Feith belong is small in number but it has become a significant force in Republican policy-making circles. It is a recent phenomenon, dating back to the late 1970s and 1980s, when many formerly Democratic Jewish intellectuals joined the broad Reagan coalition. While many of these hawks speak in public about global crusades for democracy, the chief concern of many such “neo-conservatives” is the power and reputation of Israel.

Right down the smokestack.

Perle today chairs the Defense Policy Board, Feith is an Undersecretary of Defense, and Wurmser is special assistant to the Undersecretary of State for Arms Control, John Bolton, who dutifully echoes the Perle-Sharon line. According to the Israeli daily newspaper Ha’aretz, in late February,

U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton said in meetings with Israeli officials … that he has no doubt America will attack Iraq and that it will be necessary to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea afterwards.

On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime the “aim of American foreign policy” and to use military action because “diplomacy is failing.” Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they would “offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.” Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before 9/11, the neocons had Baghdad on their minds.

The Wolfowitz Doctrine

In 1992, a startling document was leaked from the office of Paul Wolfowitz at the Pentagon. Barton Gellman of the Washington Post called it a “classified blueprint intended to help ‘set the nation’s direction for the next century.’” The Wolfowitz Memo called for a permanent U.S. military presence on six continents to deter all “potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.” Containment, the victorious strategy of the Cold War, was to give way to an ambitious new strategy designed to “establish and protect a new order.”

Though the Wolfowitz Memo was denounced and dismissed in 1992, it became American policy in the 33-page National Security Strategy (NSS) issued by President Bush on Sept. 21, 2002. Washington Post reporter Tim Reich describes it as a “watershed in U.S. foreign policy” that “reverses the fundamental principles that have guided successive Presidents for more than 50 years: containment and deterrence.”

Andrew Bacevich, a professor at Boston University, writes of the NSS that he marvels at “its fusion of breathtaking utopianism with barely disguised machtpolitik. It reads as if it were the product not of sober, ostensibly conservative Republicans but of an unlikely collaboration between Woodrow Wilson and the elder Field Marshal von Moltke.”

In confronting America’s adversaries, the paper declares, “We will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting preemptively.” It warns any nation that seeks to acquire power to rival the United States that it will be courting war with the United States:

[T]he president has no intention of allowing any nation to catch up with the huge lead the United States has opened since the fall of the Soviet Union more than a decade ago. … Our forces will be strong enough to dissuade potential adversaries from pursuing a military buildup in hopes of surpassing or equaling the power of the United States.

America must reconcile herself to an era of “nation-building on a grand scale, and with no exit strategy,” Robert Kagan instructs. But this Pax Americana the neocons envision bids fair to usher us into a time of what Harry Elmer Barnes called “permanent war for permanent peace.”

The Munich Card

As President Bush was warned on Sept. 20, 2001, that he will be indicted for “a decisive surrender” in the war on terror should he fail to attack Iraq, he is also on notice that pressure on Israel is forbidden. For as the neoconservatives have played the anti-Semitic card, they will not hesitate to play the Munich card as well. A year ago, when Bush called on Sharon to pull out of the West Bank, Sharon fired back that he would not let anyone do to Israel what Neville Chamberlain had done to the Czechs. Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy immediately backed up Ariel Sharon:

With each passing day, Washington appears to view its principal Middle Eastern ally’s conduct as inconvenient—in much the same way London and Paris came to see Czechoslovakia’s resistance to Hitler’s offers of peace in exchange for Czech lands.

When former U.S. NATO commander Gen. George Jouwlan said the United States may have to impose a peace on Israel and the Palestinians, he, too, faced the charge of appeasement. Wrote Gaffney,

They would, presumably, go beyond Britain and France’s sell-out of an ally at Munich in 1938. The “impose a peace” school is apparently prepared to have us play the role of Hitler’s Wehrmacht as well, seizing and turning over to Yasser Arafat the contemporary Sudetenland: the West Bank and Gaza Strip and perhaps part of Jerusalem as well.

Podhoretz agreed Sharon was right in the substance of what he said but called it politically unwise to use the Munich analogy.

President Bush is on notice: Should he pressure Israel to trade land for peace, the Oslo formula in which his father and Yitzak Rabin believed, he will, as was his father, be denounced as an anti-Semite and a Munich-style appeaser by both Israelis and their neoconservatives allies inside his own Big Tent.

Yet, if Bush cannot deliver Sharon there can be no peace. And if there is no peace in the Mideast there is no security for us, ever—for there will be no end to terror. As most every diplomat and journalist who travels to the region will relate, America’s failure to be even-handed, our failure to rein in Sharon, our failure to condemn Israel’s excesses, and our moral complicity in Israel’s looting of Palestinian lands and denial of their right to self-determination sustains the anti-Americanism in the Islamic world in which terrorists and terrorism breed.

Let us conclude. The Israeli people are America’s friends and have a right to peace and secure borders. We should help them secure these rights. As a nation, we have made a moral commitment, endorsed by half a dozen presidents, which Americans wish to honor, not to permit these people who have suffered much to see their country overrun and destroyed. And we must honor this commitment.

But U.S. and Israeli interests are not identical. They often collide, and when they do, U.S. interests must prevail. Moreover, we do not view the Sharon regime as “America’s best friend.”

Since the time of Ben Gurion, the behavior of the Israeli regime has been Jekyll and Hyde. In the 1950s, its intelligence service, the Mossad, had agents in Egypt blow up U.S. installations to make it appear the work of Cairo, to destroy U.S. relations with the new Nasser government. During the Six Day War, Israel ordered repeated attacks on the undefended USS Liberty that killed 34 American sailors and wounded 171 and included the machine-gunning of life rafts. This massacre was neither investigated nor punished by the U.S. government in an act of national cravenness.

Though we have given Israel $20,000 for every Jewish citizen, Israel refuses to stop building the settlements that are the cause of the Palestinian intifada. Likud has dragged our good name through the mud and blood of Ramallah, ignored Bush’s requests to restrain itself, and sold U.S. weapons technology to China, including the Patriot, the Phoenix air-to-air missile, and the Lavi fighter, which is based on F-16 technology. Only direct U.S. intervention blocked Israel’s sale of our AWACS system.

Israel suborned Jonathan Pollard to loot our secrets and refuses to return the documents, which would establish whether or not they were sold to Moscow. When Clinton tried to broker an agreement at Wye Plantation between Israel and Arafat, Bibi Netanyahu attempted to extort, as his price for signing, release of Pollard, so he could take this treasonous snake back to Israel as a national hero.

Do the Brits, our closest allies, behave like this?

Though we have said repeatedly that we admire much of what this president has done, he will not deserve re-election if he does not jettison the neoconservatives’ agenda of endless wars on the Islamic world that serve only the interests of a country other than the one he was elected to preserve and protect.

73 posted on 07/11/2004 4:10:14 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

And the U.N will be in charge of it all! God help us,if Bush doesn't beat Kerry!


74 posted on 07/11/2004 4:11:38 PM PDT by Jank
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

"There are six million evangelicals out there who did not vote in 2000 "

Do those evangelicals believe Kerry will address their concerns better and is closer to their value system?

YES or NO?


75 posted on 07/11/2004 4:26:09 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

How many times is this article going to be posted, today?

Like I said on the other thread, so the conservatives sat and politiely listened to the man plug the book he had written? What would have them do? Boo and hiss like a bunch of wild-eyed, looney leftists?


76 posted on 07/11/2004 4:30:22 PM PDT by Eva
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak; FairOpinion
I think come election day, in a state where the polls are running 50/50, a conservative will pull the lever for Bush. Even if he is really angry at the man, they won't take the chance, IMHO.

Exactly. This is the point of reality that describes how many of us feel.

This election may come down to a handful of states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin. President Bush needs to do better in the Midwest. What worries me that a lot of voters who haven't been paying attention will drink the democrats kool-aid and vote for Kerry.

77 posted on 07/11/2004 4:33:54 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Missouri

"What worries me that a lot of voters who haven't been paying attention will drink the democrats kool-aid and vote for Kerry."

That's why it's critical that Bush's base stand united behind Bush and turn out on election day.


78 posted on 07/11/2004 4:37:07 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Tamsey
Americans jumping from skyscrapers may swing support to conservatives, but I tend to dislike that type of strategy...

Good point, but I wasn't advocating electing Al Gore so we could watch more disasters. If the good guys hadn't stopped Bill Daley's vote-snatchers in Miami when they tried to take the ballot boxes to the back room for a "better count", all this would have come to pass.

You're right, it would have been a high price to pay for wisdom. But like Franklin said, "Experience keeps a dear school, but a fool will learn in no other."

That's about where the 'Rats are.

The question is, what will they cost the rest of us while they're on the learning curve.

79 posted on 07/11/2004 4:42:20 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Honi soit qui mal y pense.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

If that is what you hear when you read my responses, you are placing thought I did not express.

"Though we have said repeatedly that we admire much of what this president has done, he will not deserve re-election if he does not jettison the neoconservatives’ agenda of endless wars on the Islamic world that serve only the interests of a country other than the one he was elected to preserve and protect."

Let's just address the concluding argument, shall we?

Any source that takes delight in raising the specter of "neoconservative" influence is one I tend to discredit on the merit a number of the detractors use it as means to voice anti-semitic thought.

If seeking my credentials I am not Jewish. I am a Christian. I do have a vested interest in Israel because of my faith but am an American first, considering Her interests about all others.

In so stating I will take on the second point.

Fact: We were hit prior to 9-11 before stepping foot in Iraq.

Fact: They have declared war on us.

Fact: This declaration of war can be found in writing as well as video.

Fact: We do not desire war.

Fact: When terrorized my response is to mount an offense, not cower in a rathole with a pistol. Remember that footage? Without a strong offense to the threat that imagery would be reversed. Only a number of people in this country wouldn't even have the sense to hide in a hole. They'd be watching American Idol and carrying "Give peace a chance" signs while unaware 2 seconds later they'd be either dead or forced to adopt Islamic rule.

No, I do not desire war. I don't delight when our soldiers lose their lives. I am not a part of some vast "neoconservative" agenda. I support this action for the safety of our own nation. Technology has removed the protection of the oceans. If the rest of the world is at war, WE are not safe. That means we DO have a vested interest in the Middle East, Israel, or even France.


80 posted on 07/11/2004 4:47:45 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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