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Conservatives crucial to Bush's re-election restive about Iraq war
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | July 11, 2004 | SCOTT LINDLAW

Posted on 07/11/2004 12:03:02 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Conservatives, the backbone of Bush's political base, are increasingly uneasy about the Iraq conflict and the steady drumbeat of violence in postwar Iraq, Halper and some of his fellow Republicans say. The conservatives' anxiety was fueled by the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal and has not abated with the transfer of political power to the interim Iraqi government.

Some Republicans fear angry conservatives will stay home in November, undercutting Bush's re-election bid.

"I don't think there's any question that there is growing restiveness in the Republican base about this war," said Halper, the co-author of a new book, "America Alone: The Neoconservatives and the Global Order."

Another administration official involved in Bush's re-election effort has voiced concern that angry conservatives will sit out the election.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baloney; conservativemybutt; conservatives; conservativevote; falsefront; fauxconservatives; fraud; gwb2004; justsellinghisbook; lies; mediamythmaking; mispresentative; mobytechnique; totalbs
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To: Reagan Man
RE: I don't know if 6-million evangelical Christians stayed home in 2000

Me neither but that's what the article and others said. It's a little more complicated because there are black evangelical Christians, Hispanic evangelical Christians, white evangelical Christians. . . .

Rats usually get the first two by wide margins.

101 posted on 07/11/2004 6:24:54 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Missouri

Nobody knew how close the election was going to be, in advance.

Splitting the conservative/Republican vote was very dangerous.

We lucked out in the end, but that doesn't excuse those who were willing to throw the election to Bustamante, and still call themselves conservatives.

Anyway, I don't want to re-argue the recall election, but that is just one example that the so-called conservatives are totally willing to implement their unrealistic notions, hurting elections.

And forget California, just think of 8 years of Clinton, courtesy of "so-called conservatives", who voted for Ross Perot.


102 posted on 07/11/2004 6:25:30 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion
because, he didn't address every single one of your pet-issues adequately in your own mind, totally ignoring reality of what Bush had to

With respect, I completely disagree with this alligation/insinuation. I hear it over and over here.

Freepers and most American's are passionate and have their own issues. It's my opinion, most of their issues and concerns are substantial, and justified issues. Today, there are few small pet-issues, comparded to the cultural, social bankrupt ending policies that are being suggested today.

103 posted on 07/11/2004 6:28:59 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: FairOpinion
>>>Now THAT is a REAL conservative, not the whiners, "pretend-conservatives", who would rather see Kerry win.

Every time you get your butt whipped in a debate, you get angry and revert silly talk. The question was about California and why it went from being a Republican state to a Democrat state in 35 years. This had nothing to do with Kerry or Bush. Throwing out such juvenile rhetoric only makes you look like a bigger fool then you've already shown yourself to be. Your attempt to obfuscate the real issues that face California today, is a sign of your frustration and desperation with life.

104 posted on 07/11/2004 6:30:20 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man; Missouri
Nice graphic. I notice that it's red, white, and green.

My own off-the-cuff guess at the number of illegals who are living in the country now, including all the amnestied ones (whom I still count as illegals, because amnesty and parole don't expunge the original offense), was about 30,000,000. I see by the graphic that the Census Bureau thinks that, with their progeny, they number some 45,000,000. Guess I'm close enough for government work.

Changes in population makeup like this are the stuff that revolutions and civil wars are made of.

And FWIW, even the more business-oriented, work-oriented Mexicans we get in Texas from northern Mexico (nortenos) vote 70% for Democratic candidates when they vote -- a solid enough vote to qualify them for yellow-dog status. South Americans and Central Americans split more evenly, and Cubans still tilt Republican. But Chicanos are bad news.

And Bush keeps bending over backwards to get more Mexicans into the country. I don't get it, unless this is the business lobby's famous propensity in action, for trading away their future for a few good quarters in the near years.

105 posted on 07/11/2004 6:35:59 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Honi soit qui mal y pense.)
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To: FairOpinion
From the article what surfaces if the fact that the press is succeeding in hiding the successes and holding under a microscope all the flaws:

"Yet, Halper said his critical review on the administration's performance on Iraq last week was met with expressions of support in the conservatives' weekly meeting, which is closed to journalists.

The marquee speaker sent by the administration was Eric Ciliberti, who spent several weeks in Iraq this year and told the audience of broad progress being made there.

Ciliberti complained to the group that those in the news media were not reporting the positive developments out of Iraq."

Notice that the meeting was "closed to journalist." This tells me that the press would have got in to bash anything positive they would have to say.

Notice also the revealing statement that says, "the news media were not reporting the positive developments out of Iraq." We have to wake up to the fact that the left has sent an army of their antiwar reporters over to Iraq. Their mission is to derail any information of success about our effort in Iraq. The effort of stifling information has the scary resemblance to the Iron Curtain of the old Soviet Union. These information goons have as much respect for the institution of the press as an instrument for the truth as the mafia has for a family member talking to the F.B.I.

We are in a war for the truth folks. If we lose that war, soon they will take even the information highway away as our means to the truth.
106 posted on 07/11/2004 6:41:03 PM PDT by jonrick46 (jonrick46)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Interesting article. Thanks for posting it. And no, I don't think it's "antisemitic".

Bill Buckley once gave Joseph Sobran a 10,000-word trial by essay before dismissing him from National Review's board. I don't think Bill would find fault with this essay. This isn't a Westbrook Pegler foam-at-the-mouth piece, and although I think I've detected some slick, snarky antisemitism in comments generally coming from the Left, I don't see any of that here. Buchanan seems to be fighting fair, and for a reasonable expression of differences.

I saw this article go by last year, and I didn't stop to read it because it was a demanding read and because I was afraid Buchanan would just embarrass himself and make some more "amen corner" cracks. It seems I was mistaken, and should have given him more credit.

107 posted on 07/11/2004 6:41:48 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Honi soit qui mal y pense.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Whether its 15 million, 30 million or 45 million illegals, that's far too many. Bush`s immigration reform policy didn't go over very well with the American people, who still oppose amnesty for illegal aliens in overwhelming numbers.


108 posted on 07/11/2004 6:43:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: FairOpinion

Maybe they need a little reminder from some of us who live in their districts or states. It's amazing how clear headed they become when they have to be accountable for their big mouth.

And .. everybody needs to ask them if THEY HAVE BEEN TO IRAQ. If not .. they have nothing to stand on.


109 posted on 07/11/2004 6:44:53 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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To: icebats22

Geeeeez .. You've only been here a month and you're already whining about Bush.

Go ahead and vote for Kerry then .. the terrorists will be here so fast your head will swim .. they will destroy this country and everything in it .. and lets hope they find your house before they find mine.


110 posted on 07/11/2004 6:49:03 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Interesting article. Thanks for posting it. And no, I don't think it's "antisemitic".<

And it will be my pleasure one day, to introduce you to other patriots who believe the brutal reality is, it's our own country we should be concerned with.

111 posted on 07/11/2004 6:49:43 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: FairOpinion

When did any Republican say we would be greeted with flowers and candy? The libs have been saying this crap for a year.


112 posted on 07/11/2004 6:52:24 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Reagan Man
Bush`s immigration reform policy didn't go over very well with the American people, who still oppose amnesty for illegal aliens in overwhelming numbers.

He doesn't care what we think.

In an essay long ago, conservative (or neoconservative, according to Pat Buchanan's article above) political writer James Q. Wilson explained the difference between a constituency (us) and an audience. The latter are the people who contribute political money at the margins, who own the leveraged political dollars and budget dollars without which not. They are the indispensable men of politics.

A politician shines on and lies to his constituency. He obeys slavishly and performs for his audience. Thus Wilson.

Bush's audience is in Manhattan, on Fifth Avenue. They are the lords of money, and neither they nor he give a rat's ass about any of the rest of us.

Fact, dude.

114 posted on 07/11/2004 6:55:44 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Honi soit qui mal y pense.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
And it will be my pleasure one day, to introduce you to other patriots who believe the brutal reality is, it's our own country we should be concerned with.

And how would your preferred policy to date, since 1/01, have differed from GWB's?

He may be using the Neocons' enthusiasm and vigor for his own purposes, don't you think? Cheney isn't a Neocon, is he? Who's in command, Dubya or the undersecretaries? Are we heavily engaged in Ramallah, or in Ramadi?

115 posted on 07/11/2004 7:02:03 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Honi soit qui mal y pense.)
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To: Reagan Man
Every time you get your butt whipped in a debate, you get angry and revert silly talk.

Oh the irony.

116 posted on 07/11/2004 7:02:11 PM PDT by Texasforever (God can send you to hell but he can't sue you. He can't find a lawyer.)
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To: Texasforever
Howdy tex. Missed yea!

Right back, gotta go get 100 lb bag o dog food.

117 posted on 07/11/2004 7:04:25 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: FairOpinion

It's pathetic that some (R)'s have so little confidence in their own candidate that they feel they must resort to employing lies such as your tagline.


118 posted on 07/11/2004 7:09:48 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
>>>Fact, dude.

Haven't convinced me, dude.

I don't agree with Bush on his immigration reform policy, but I don't think he sold out to anyone. Which is basically what you're saying.

120 posted on 07/11/2004 7:11:26 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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