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Victor Davis Hanson: Allies, Friends, Neutrals, or Enemies?
VDH ^ | July 10, 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 07/10/2004 10:12:54 AM PDT by quidnunc

For all the mayhem in the Sunni Triangle, and for all our mishaps at trying to reconstruct a pathological society reeling from 30 years of mass murder, we are beginning now to see the emergence of new civilized beginning in Iraq. Sadly our allies are mostly neutral, if not hostile to this radically new world, mostly out of spite, narrow self-interest, and deductive anger and envy of the United States. In the process, they have done the near impossible: lost the good will of the American people, a development that will have radical repercussions in the years ahead.

While a U.S., bloodied after 9-11, takes its greatest gamble in the last half-century to end the pathology of the Middle East, a Spanish government is toppled by a handful of al Qaeda thugs. The new inane socialist prime minister, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who once bragged of his appeasement of April, is now worried, and thus scurrying in a pathetic effort to “beef up” the 200-man Spanish contingent in Afghanistan — at least for now until bin Laden’s self-proclaimed armistice with Europe runs out and the next bomb goes off. When that happens, don’t count on a slandered US to come to the aid of Spain, which will have its hands full enough adjudicating the sovereignty of a few rocks off Morocco. The fiery French Defense Minister, after all, is now bragging that France has nukes and can protect Europe all by itself. Promises, promises.

So the Europeans haven’t got a clue what is going on right now in the world. Germany and France ankle-bite about a new proposed role for NATO in Afghanistan while Mr. Karzai accepts the Liberty medal in Philadelphia on July 4th. Go figure. A Chirac and Schroeder pronounce from thrones on Olympus that they cannot sanction the death penalty for Saddam — as if they were asked or anyone cared.

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(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; iraq; vdh; victordavishanson; waronterror; wot

1 posted on 07/10/2004 10:12:55 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: Tolik

FYI


2 posted on 07/10/2004 10:13:23 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

If it were up to the rest of the world, Jean Cheri-Jean Edouard would already be governing the United States.


3 posted on 07/10/2004 10:14:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: quidnunc

Personally, I will stand by and simply nod when al Qaeda attacks Europe.
Their fealty will not appease the terror masters and frankly, the little children of 'Old Europe' need to grow up.
We've bailed out France's ass far more than their support in the 1770's warrants, especially considering their designs on our nascent country.


4 posted on 07/10/2004 10:16:24 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool (Why do Al Qaeda and DNC press releases always sound the same?)
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To: quidnunc

All I can say is: Right on brother.


5 posted on 07/10/2004 10:19:28 AM PDT by CoolPapaBoze
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To: quidnunc
"The fiery French Defense Minister, after all, is now bragging that France has nukes and can protect Europe all by itself."

What the hell? When was THIS said?
6 posted on 07/10/2004 10:22:13 AM PDT by Terpfen (James Lileks: "A single death... is a tragedy. A million deaths is a U.N. committee report.")
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To: quidnunc

"But if they are wrong and Mr. Kerry thus loses—then most Americans between New York and Los Angeles will have a long, long memory."

Yes indeed.


7 posted on 07/10/2004 10:25:48 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: quidnunc

BFL


8 posted on 07/10/2004 10:43:56 AM PDT by dts32041 (Gen Karpinski A bullet, A Gun, a Room, her only honorable solution (MP Officer Not))
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To: dyed_in_the_wool

Except that isn't going to happen unless AQ is HItler-esque in its stupidity. Why should they attack the Euros when they have neutered them and can attack us, the more dangerous enemy? They can always mop of that bunch of clowns.


9 posted on 07/10/2004 12:16:37 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: LS
It's actually worse than that-- the French are actually acting as our enemies, and don't put it past them to actively assist the Islamonazis against us if they think it would be to their advantage.

If they persist in this madness, there may come a moment in the not-too distant future when we will have to act to strip France of her remaining overseas possessions and her nuclear weapons.

10 posted on 07/10/2004 2:29:44 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: pierrem15

Interesting thought. I wonder if any U.S. SSNs have ever been tasked with tracking French SSBNs. I would expect so.


11 posted on 07/10/2004 2:41:31 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: quidnunc

Money quote
"This is surprising only if you thought France was now a neutral, rather than a de facto enemy of the United States."


12 posted on 07/10/2004 4:11:01 PM PDT by tort_feasor ( anti-Semitism is not a lifestyle choice)
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To: quidnunc; seamole; Lando Lincoln; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 
13 posted on 07/10/2004 4:18:06 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Bahbah

From VDH's capable keyboard to God's Flatscreen HD Monitor...


14 posted on 07/10/2004 6:43:39 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: quidnunc
they have done the near impossible: lost the good will of the American people

I was just having this argument with my liberal sister on July 4th: She was whining about how, because of Bush, the rest of the world hates America now. I said, "Au contraire (you have to speak French to liberals, or they just don't understand you), it is the reprehensible gutlessness of Chirac and Schroeder and the U.N. Oil for Bribes gang that have made AMERICANS hate Old Europe! Don't you get it! We're not the bad guys!"

Of course, she did not get it.

15 posted on 07/10/2004 9:45:32 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (We're all DOOOOOOOOMED!!! < /DNC talking points>)
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To: Tolik

BTTT


16 posted on 07/11/2004 12:23:19 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: FreedomPoster

Remember when Britain sank the French navy after the Vichy govt. collaborated with Hitler?


17 posted on 07/11/2004 3:42:07 AM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey

Oh, yes.

I also remember Vichy French forces firing on Americans when we were entering Morocco. Not much, they surrendered fast, but it was there.

I've been an avocational student of military history for ~35 years, since I was around 10, and know my WWII history pretty well. Watching the French now, and looking back more critically, I see the French in WWII as less and less an ally, and more and more as a slight impediment / obstacle. A good number helped our cause, but they were probably about evenly offset by those who didn't, and worked against us / at cross purposes to us.


18 posted on 07/11/2004 5:44:21 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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