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Canadian Election--6/28 Live Thread
Various | 6/28/04 | Free Republic

Posted on 06/28/2004 2:51:25 AM PDT by conservative in nyc

The Canadian election is today. If the most recent polls are correct, the Conservative Party of Canada may win more seats in Canada's House of Commons, setting the stage for a Conservative minority government. A new day may be dawning in Canada. But the election is going to be close.

Please use this thread for any early election articles that pop-up over the course of the day, predictions and news analysis, and, of course, the actual results as they come in.

Also, please post links to Canadian elections result sites here.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: canada; electioncanada; harper; martin
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To: PAR35
There were shifts after the election, in part due to the P.C.-Alliance merger.

Party Standings at Dissolution, October 2000

Province 
Lib.
Alliance
B.Q.
N.D.P.
P.C.
Ind.
Total
Newfoundland
     
 
Prince Edward Island
         
Nova Scotia       
 
11 
New Brunswick
   
 
10 
 
Lib.
Alliance
B.Q.
N.D.P.
P.C.
Ind.
Total
Total for Quebec 
29
 
44 
 
75
Island of Montreal and Île Jésus
15 
 
     
21 
 
Lib.
Alliance
B.Q.
N.D.P.
P.C.
Ind.
Total
Total for Ontario 
101
1
     
1
103
Metropolitan Toronto 
23 
       
24 
 
Lib.
Alliance
B.Q.
N.D.P.
P.C.
Ind.
Total
Manitoba
 
14 
Saskatchewan
 
   
14 
Alberta
23 
     
26 
Total for British Columbia
24 
 
   
34 
Greater Vancouver
 
   
16 
 
Lib.
Alliance
B.Q.
N.D.P.
P.C.
Ind.
Total
Yukon       
   
Northwest Territories 
         
Nunavut 
         
Total 
161
58
44
19
15
4
301

561 posted on 06/28/2004 8:21:02 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: LilyBean
What the heck is the West supposed to do when the majority of the seats are back east?

Secede. Ask to be admitted to the US as new states.

562 posted on 06/28/2004 8:21:32 PM PDT by Publius
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To: conservative in nyc

Whoops --- ignore that --- that's before the 2000 election.


563 posted on 06/28/2004 8:21:34 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Petronski

LIB 135 NDP 23 TOTAL 158


CON 94


564 posted on 06/28/2004 8:22:09 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm **NOT** always **CRANKY**.)
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To: mylsfromhome

Well I understand the Conservative party is some sort of new version so maybe it was too new for many voters ?


565 posted on 06/28/2004 8:22:38 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: goldstategop

I agree that there is no way that conservatives could win a majority of the vote in Canada probably ever, especially when factoring in Quebec. The only hope for a truly conservative party to come to power is if Quebec is no longer a part of the country. However, I do believe that a conservative minority is probable for the next election The divisions within the party (red tories and true conservatives) are almost gone and it is much more united in ideology. The canadian versions of RINOs are gone, making it easier for the party to campaign. I would expect in the next election to see just the opposite of what happened in the 1990's - more vote splitting on the left and a united right, although I highly doubt that it could win a majority.


566 posted on 06/28/2004 8:23:24 PM PDT by jamesissmall218
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To: goldstategop

Steyn has been silent since 10:50. I think the rise of the NDP into the Kingmaker role put him over the edge. It would be like Kucinich and Nader having the balance of power to elect Kerry. In other words, the worst possible outcome.


567 posted on 06/28/2004 8:23:36 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: Publius

I was reading the history of the Canadian Pacific Railroad, and they darn near did leave for the US. If the Govt hadnt finally connected Vancouver with the rest of the country, the Northern Pacific and Great Northern would have invaded Canada.


568 posted on 06/28/2004 8:23:39 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: conservative in nyc

Libs lost 33 seats. That feels really good to say.



Libs lost 33 seats.


569 posted on 06/28/2004 8:24:07 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm **NOT** always **CRANKY**.)
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To: All
Overall Election Results
Party Elected Leading Total Vote Share
LIB 123 15 138 37.66%
CON 81 12 93 29.32%
BQ 51 3 54 12.49%
NDP 17 5 22 15.28%
NA 1 0 1 .03%
OTH 0 0 0 5.22%
 Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT 308 seats
Click the Refresh Results button to update the election results.  


 ATLANTIC
Party Elected Leading Vote Count Vote Share
LIB 22 0 473309 43.79%
CON 7 0 324916 30.06%
NDP 3 0 244112 22.59%
 Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT 32 seats

 QUEBEC
Party Elected Leading Vote Count Vote Share
BQ 51 3 1135220 49.6%
LIB 18 3 757044 33.08%
CON 0 0 203807 8.91%
NDP 0 0 103576 4.53%
 Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT 75 seat

 ONTARIO
Party Elected Leading Vote Count Vote Share
LIB 73 4 1688930 44.28%
CON 19 3 1207762 31.66%
NDP 7 0 696305 18.26%
 Last Update:  June 28, 11:20:37 PM EDT 106 seats

 PRAIRIES
Party Elected Leading Vote Count Vote Share
CON 40 5 791380 51.02%
LIB 5 2 402641 25.96%
NDP 4 0 258675 16.68%
 Last Update:  June 28, 11:20:37 PM EDT 56 seats
The Prairie region consists of the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. It has a total of 56 ridings.

 ALBERTA
Party Elected Leading Vote Count Vote Share
CON 26 0 484636 61.42%
LIB 1 1 170080 21.55%
NDP 0 0 79939 10.13%
 Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT 28 seats

BRITISH COLUMBIA
Party Elected Leading Vote Count Vote Share
CON 15 4 127968 39.75%
LIB 3 5 88195 27.4%
NDP 3 5 78332 24.33%
NA 1 0 2791 0.87%
 Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT 36 seats

CBC
570 posted on 06/28/2004 8:24:28 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Petronski

LIB 136 NDP 22 TOTAL 158


CON 94


571 posted on 06/28/2004 8:25:35 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm **NOT** always **CRANKY**.)
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To: BurbankKarl
The Northern Pacific was one of those railroads run by financiers. No real railroad men.

But the Great Northern was run by James Jerome Hill, born in Ontario. One of the greatest railroad men who ever lived. The Empire Builder himself.

572 posted on 06/28/2004 8:26:44 PM PDT by Publius (But the)
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To: Petronski

My sympathies to the conservatives in Canada -- but at least they're holding their own.


573 posted on 06/28/2004 8:27:01 PM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Petronski

The bright side is that the Liberals lost control of a majority government and are now in the minority. Martin called the election at a spectacularly bad time. When all is said and done, I think he scared people into voting for the NDP instead of for him. He got them to vote against the Conservatives.

His government will be short-lived. I give it 1 year.


574 posted on 06/28/2004 8:27:41 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: goldstategop
It looks like the Liberals lost about 37 seats (my understanding of the numbers and their finality leaves a bit to be desired, so correct me if necessary). The conservatives gained a few and the BQ gained a lot. The new government will move left as the liberals will have to ally themselves with an even farther left party to govern.

The election seems to indicate that people are somewhat disappointed with the liberals, but not quite enough to throw them out completely. I do not think moving farther to the left will endear the Liberal led government to most Canadians. If the Conservatives work hard, especially in Quebec and Ontario, the next election may lead them past the Liberals. A Conservative majority is probably too much to hope for, but a coalition sure seems reachable in the near future, if the trend continues,

In short, this election may not be salvation, but it is darn well progress!

That is the view from coastal South Carolina, anyway. Good luck Canadian Conservatives, and good night.
575 posted on 06/28/2004 8:27:55 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Dan from Michigan

Where the CP failed was in not creating a positive image of being a gun nut, cowboy Western separatist and essentially any other "negative" image the LP might have come up with. Here in the our own land Reagan certainly was a master of this. I think we've got some major lessons learned to ponder. The Right must define our own image on our terms - we must preemptively take every stereotype the Left makes of us and turn it around. For far too long, the whole RINO moderate approach has kept us shy to do this. For example - let us proclaim all the goodness about Judeo-Christian values and sell this to the sheeple, let us proclaim the utter necessity of 2nd ammendment rights and be unafraid of using devices such as Neimoller's monologue or other things to make that point, etc, etc. The more dramatic and emotional our appeal the better! I know it goes agaist our nature, but the Left are using these techniques against us time and time again. We need to become, at least in the short term, the same sorts of political geeks and wonks as Leftists are in our own case vis a vis the Rightist creed. All it takes is courage. If we deny the Left the opportunity to slime us negatively on the issues that define the Right, then they will look really lame when they roll out all their noise.


576 posted on 06/28/2004 8:29:17 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: LilyBean

What's the chances of the west getting fed up enough to finally allow Quebec to go independent? Wouldn't that tick off Ontario, which might bring the best result of all, a 3 way split of Canada resulting in a conservative West country? Its not like we care how many seats the left would gain in the UN...


577 posted on 06/28/2004 8:29:21 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: conservative in nyc

A year of looking ahead to raid Canadians' wallets more and convert more of them into vote satrapies for the Liberals. Yes, that would be progress.


578 posted on 06/28/2004 8:30:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: All
Annie-get-your-guns is still ahead in Alberta --- but not by much.

253 Edmonton Centre
 DISTRICT: Edmonton Centre
Candidate Party Vote Count Vote Share Elected
Anne McLellan LIB 8930 41.69%
Laurie Hawn CON 8820 41.18%
Meghan McMaster NDP 2044 9.54%
David J. Parker GRN 1125 5.25%
Lyle Kenny MP 211 0.99%
Sean Tisdall PCP 185 0.86%
John Baloun IND 70 0.33%
Peggy Morton ML 33 0.15%
 Last Update:  June 28, 11:28:50 PM EDT 115 of 253 polls reporting
CBC
579 posted on 06/28/2004 8:31:00 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: goldstategop

No offense, but after having said basically the same thing more than a dozen times, perhaps you have made your point?


580 posted on 06/28/2004 8:32:01 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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