Canadian Election--6/28 Live Thread

Various | 6/28/04 | Free Republic

[conservative in nyc]

The Canadian election is today. If the most recent polls are correct, the Conservative Party of Canada may win more seats in Canada's House of Commons, setting the stage for a Conservative minority government. A new day may be dawning in Canada. But the election is going to be close.

Please use this thread for any early election articles that pop-up over the course of the day, predictions and news analysis, and, of course, the actual results as they come in.

Also, please post links to Canadian elections result sites here.

[conservative in nyc]

There were shifts after the election, in part due to the P.C.-Alliance merger.

Party Standings at Dissolution, October 2000

Province	Lib.	Alliance	B.Q.	N.D.P.	P.C.	Ind.	Total
Newfoundland	5				2		7
Prince Edward Island	4						4
Nova Scotia				6	5		11
New Brunswick	3			1	6		10
	Lib.	Alliance	B.Q.	N.D.P.	P.C.	Ind.	Total
Total for Quebec	29		44		1	1	75
Island of Montreal and Île Jésus	15		6				21
	Lib.	Alliance	B.Q.	N.D.P.	P.C.	Ind.	Total
Total for Ontario	101	1				1	103
Metropolitan Toronto	23					1	24
	Lib.	Alliance	B.Q.	N.D.P.	P.C.	Ind.	Total
Manitoba	6	2		4	1	1	14
Saskatchewan	2	8		4			14
Alberta	2	23				1	26
Total for British Columbia	7	24		3			34
Greater Vancouver	6	8		2			16
	Lib.	Alliance	B.Q.	N.D.P.	P.C.	Ind.	Total
Yukon				1			1
Northwest Territories	1						1
Nunavut	1						1
Total	161	58	44	19	15	4	301

[Publius]

What the heck is the West supposed to do when the majority of the seats are back east?

Secede. Ask to be admitted to the US as new states.

[conservative in nyc]

Whoops --- ignore that --- that's before the 2000 election.

[Petronski]

LIB 135 NDP 23 TOTAL 158


CON 94

[1066AD]

Well I understand the Conservative party is some sort of new version so maybe it was too new for many voters ?

[jamesissmall218]

I agree that there is no way that conservatives could win a majority of the vote in Canada probably ever, especially when factoring in Quebec. The only hope for a truly conservative party to come to power is if Quebec is no longer a part of the country. However, I do believe that a conservative minority is probable for the next election The divisions within the party (red tories and true conservatives) are almost gone and it is much more united in ideology. The canadian versions of RINOs are gone, making it easier for the party to campaign. I would expect in the next election to see just the opposite of what happened in the 1990's - more vote splitting on the left and a united right, although I highly doubt that it could win a majority.

[You Dirty Rats]

Steyn has been silent since 10:50. I think the rise of the NDP into the Kingmaker role put him over the edge. It would be like Kucinich and Nader having the balance of power to elect Kerry. In other words, the worst possible outcome.

[BurbankKarl]

I was reading the history of the Canadian Pacific Railroad, and they darn near did leave for the US. If the Govt hadnt finally connected Vancouver with the rest of the country, the Northern Pacific and Great Northern would have invaded Canada.

[Petronski]

Libs lost 33 seats. That feels really good to say.



Libs lost 33 seats.

[conservative in nyc]

Overall Election Results
Party	Elected	Leading	Total	Vote Share
LIB	123	15	138	37.66%
CON	81	12	93	29.32%
BQ	51	3	54	12.49%
NDP	17	5	22	15.28%
NA	1	0	1	.03%
OTH	0	0	0	5.22%
Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT				308 seats

Click the Refresh Results button to update the election results.

ATLANTIC
Party	Elected	Leading	Vote Count	Vote Share
LIB	22	0	473309	43.79%
CON	7	0	324916	30.06%
NDP	3	0	244112	22.59%
Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT				32 seats

QUEBEC
Party	Elected	Leading	Vote Count	Vote Share
BQ	51	3	1135220	49.6%
LIB	18	3	757044	33.08%
CON	0	0	203807	8.91%
NDP	0	0	103576	4.53%
Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT				75 seat

ONTARIO
Party	Elected	Leading	Vote Count	Vote Share
LIB	73	4	1688930	44.28%
CON	19	3	1207762	31.66%
NDP	7	0	696305	18.26%
Last Update:  June 28, 11:20:37 PM EDT				106 seats

PRAIRIES
Party	Elected	Leading	Vote Count	Vote Share
CON	40	5	791380	51.02%
LIB	5	2	402641	25.96%
NDP	4	0	258675	16.68%
Last Update:  June 28, 11:20:37 PM EDT				56 seats

The Prairie region consists of the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. It has a total of 56 ridings.

ALBERTA
Party	Elected	Leading	Vote Count	Vote Share
CON	26	0	484636	61.42%
LIB	1	1	170080	21.55%
NDP	0	0	79939	10.13%
Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT				28 seats

BRITISH COLUMBIA
Party	Elected	Leading	Vote Count	Vote Share
CON	15	4	127968	39.75%
LIB	3	5	88195	27.4%
NDP	3	5	78332	24.33%
NA	1	0	2791	0.87%
Last Update:  June 28, 11:21:08 PM EDT				36 seats

CBC

[Petronski]

LIB 136 NDP 22 TOTAL 158


CON 94

[Publius]

The Northern Pacific was one of those railroads run by financiers. No real railroad men.

But the Great Northern was run by James Jerome Hill, born in Ontario. One of the greatest railroad men who ever lived. The Empire Builder himself.

[Ciexyz]

My sympathies to the conservatives in Canada -- but at least they're holding their own.

[conservative in nyc]

The bright side is that the Liberals lost control of a majority government and are now in the minority. Martin called the election at a spectacularly bad time. When all is said and done, I think he scared people into voting for the NDP instead of for him. He got them to vote against the Conservatives.

His government will be short-lived. I give it 1 year.

[Law is not justice but process]

It looks like the Liberals lost about 37 seats (my understanding of the numbers and their finality leaves a bit to be desired, so correct me if necessary). The conservatives gained a few and the BQ gained a lot. The new government will move left as the liberals will have to ally themselves with an even farther left party to govern.

The election seems to indicate that people are somewhat disappointed with the liberals, but not quite enough to throw them out completely. I do not think moving farther to the left will endear the Liberal led government to most Canadians. If the Conservatives work hard, especially in Quebec and Ontario, the next election may lead them past the Liberals. A Conservative majority is probably too much to hope for, but a coalition sure seems reachable in the near future, if the trend continues,

In short, this election may not be salvation, but it is darn well progress!

That is the view from coastal South Carolina, anyway. Good luck Canadian Conservatives, and good night.

[GOP_1900AD]

Where the CP failed was in not creating a positive image of being a gun nut, cowboy Western separatist and essentially any other "negative" image the LP might have come up with. Here in the our own land Reagan certainly was a master of this. I think we've got some major lessons learned to ponder. The Right must define our own image on our terms - we must preemptively take every stereotype the Left makes of us and turn it around. For far too long, the whole RINO moderate approach has kept us shy to do this. For example - let us proclaim all the goodness about Judeo-Christian values and sell this to the sheeple, let us proclaim the utter necessity of 2nd ammendment rights and be unafraid of using devices such as Neimoller's monologue or other things to make that point, etc, etc. The more dramatic and emotional our appeal the better! I know it goes agaist our nature, but the Left are using these techniques against us time and time again. We need to become, at least in the short term, the same sorts of political geeks and wonks as Leftists are in our own case vis a vis the Rightist creed. All it takes is courage. If we deny the Left the opportunity to slime us negatively on the issues that define the Right, then they will look really lame when they roll out all their noise.

[Diddle E. Squat]

What's the chances of the west getting fed up enough to finally allow Quebec to go independent? Wouldn't that tick off Ontario, which might bring the best result of all, a 3 way split of Canada resulting in a conservative West country? Its not like we care how many seats the left would gain in the UN...

[goldstategop]

A year of looking ahead to raid Canadians' wallets more and convert more of them into vote satrapies for the Liberals. Yes, that would be progress.

[conservative in nyc]

Annie-get-your-guns is still ahead in Alberta --- but not by much.

253 Edmonton Centre

 DISTRICT: Edmonton Centre

Candidate

Party

Vote Count

Vote Share

Elected

Anne McLellan

LIB

8930

41.69%

Laurie Hawn

CON

8820

41.18%

Meghan McMaster

NDP

2044

9.54%

David J. Parker

GRN

1125

5.25%

Lyle Kenny

MP

211

0.99%

Sean Tisdall

PCP

185

0.86%

John Baloun

IND

70

0.33%

Peggy Morton

ML

33

0.15%

Last Update:  June 28, 11:28:50 PM EDT

115 of 253 polls reporting

CBC

[Diddle E. Squat]

No offense, but after having said basically the same thing more than a dozen times, perhaps you have made your point?