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IRAQ HANDOVER 'TODAY' (Sovereignty Transfered in surprise move!) Congratulations IRAQ!
Sky News ^ | 6/28/2004

Posted on 06/27/2004 10:50:49 PM PDT by Southack

Edited on 06/27/2004 11:30:47 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: mastequilla
Anytime one changes ones behavior as a result of terrorist activity then the terrorists are winning.

So then by your logic, if a war is not finished and life for the good-guys is not back to normal, then the bad-guys must be winning.

Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!

1,141 posted on 06/28/2004 8:32:07 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname

"But, has anyone heard the ABC radio news guy carrying on about this as if it's HORRIBLE?"

What a suprise.


1,142 posted on 06/28/2004 8:32:58 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
"Excellent news! Once again Bush & co outsmarts bad guys!

The terrrorists are caught with their pants down!

The press is caught with pants down!

Drudge is caught with his pants down!

The Dems are caught with their pants down!

Where's Clinton???"

With all the Clintoon love spouting from the liberals...I would say he's warming up his cigar for 'em.

1,143 posted on 06/28/2004 8:33:38 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family was a WMD)
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To: mastequilla

Who are you?


1,144 posted on 06/28/2004 8:33:54 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Southack
Killing those civilians is militarily insignificant. It matters to us because we are a compassionate people, but it doesn't change the fortunes of the battlefield.

It does matter to the new government, and I'm hopeful they will get the upper hand. We shouldn't be wringing our hands of the situation just because we've turned over sovreignty and U.S. deaths are down. Our goal here wasn't the least possible of U.S. deaths, our goal was a stable and propserous Iraqi democracy and freedom for the citizens of Iraq.

1,145 posted on 06/28/2004 8:35:16 PM PDT by mastequilla
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To: FreeReign

THE MESOPOTAMIAN
TO BRING ONE MORE IRAQI VOICE OF THE SILENT MAJORITY TO THE ATTENTION OF THE WORLD
http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/
Monday, June 28, 2004

THAT WHICH HAS BENEFIT FOR PEOPLE

(note: the verse is written in Arabic, click on the link to see it...valin)

This is a famous Arabic verse of divine Wisdom; the eloquence and resonance of the sentence cannot be translated but the meaning is as follows:

“As for the scum, it will go (disappear) in vain (uselessly); and as for that which has benefit for people, it will stay in the earth.”

One man of the people is asked by an MBC (An Arab network) reporter what he thinks about the new government. He answers very simply in that spontaneous genuine manner of simple folk: “aren’t these men better than the riffraff who used to govern us?” Truer words have never been said.

This day, this modest ceremony, no elaborate celebrations, no fanfare; yet surely this is a “Mother of Days” for Iraq, and history will remember this day.

Likewise, I am not going to say anything grandiose today, rather in the same style of today’s ceremonies. All I can say is that almost everybody here has hope, great hope. Personally I am confident of the future because “That which has benefit for people will stay in the earth”.

Hail our true friends, the Great People of the United States of America; The Freedom giving Republic, the nation of Liberators. Never has the world known such a nation, willing to spill the blood of her children and spend the treasure of her land even for the sake of the freedom and well being of erstwhile enemies. The tree of friendship is going to grow and grow and bear fruit as sure as day follows night. And the people deep down at the bottom of their hearts, they appreciate. Make no mistake about that. The people have voted today, the pulse of the street is clear, without any hesitation I would give 90% of all Iraqis are hopeful and supportive of the new government, and this is a tacit indirect yes to the U.S. which has been the prime mover of all these events. This is what the foolish fail to understand. Why is this a different situation from that for example of a Vietnam? The answer is very simple: Because, the U.S. has achieved something very popular around here; which is the removal of the Saddam regime. Those who are really against the U.S. from amongst the Iraqis have been and remain a small minority; all other forms of resentment are simply disappointment and disgruntlement resulting from the discomfiture of the present situation and will simply disappear with progress and gradual improvement.

As for the enemy, he will not reap but failure and the bitter taste of defeat.

Glory and honor to the U.S. and Allied men and women whose blood is irrigating the tree of freedom in this land; and their sacrifices, suffering, and toil is laying the foundation for a future renaissance of the Mesopotamian People. Hail soldiers of freedom and enlightenment. Do not be dismayed by the trouble and turbulence of the present, for the future generations will remember and appreciate.

And last but not least; Hail, Great El Bush, a leader not only of the U.S. but a true hero of mankind. And Hail Mr. Blair and the other Leaders of the Free World.

God Bless the New Republic of Iraq; God Bless America.

Wa Al Salaam Alaykum Wa rahamutu Allahi Wa Barakatuh

(Peace be upon you and the mercy of God and his blessings)



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1,146 posted on 06/28/2004 8:41:12 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: mastequilla
"It does matter to the new government, and I'm hopeful they will get the upper hand."

Then you should be overjoyed...because the new Iraqi government has the upper hand.

Prime Minister Alawi controls 100,000 Iraqi recruits in one army and 120,000 Kurdish peshmerga in another 3 militias. He can tap into over $10 Billion in current Iraqi oil sales so far this year, he's delivering more electricity to more Iraqis today (contrary to the impression left by the press) than what Hussein was delivering back before the war, he's got better staffed and equipped hospitals and schools, better water treatment, better sewers, and his roads are finally being rebuilt.

And unlike his insurgent opposition, he can freely bring in imports of food and military aid in the open at any time of the day or night.

Against all of this, the insurgents number fewer than 4,000 armed men. They are managing fewer than 50 attacks nationwide per day, and they are averaging killing fewer than 20 Iraqis per day from the sum of those attacks.

Which is to say that your odds of being killed in an Iraqi car wreck are greater than dying at the hands of the insurgents.

So suffice it to say that the new Iraqi government has the upper hand.

1,147 posted on 06/28/2004 8:42:25 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: mastequilla
I'm unhappy that the average Iraqi lives in fear of terror moreso today than before the invasion.

We shouldn't be wringing our hands of the situation just because we've turned over sovreignty...

Welcome to FreeRepublic.

Stick around here and read the posted articles and some of the replies. I think you'll find over time here that some of the things you thought were true are not. For instance, your above two statements.

1,148 posted on 06/28/2004 8:45:28 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: mastequilla
Republican Presidents have single handedly freed a half Billion people from brutal repressive dictatorships while the Rats and the press fought to keep them oppressed. Freedom Reigns thanks to Ronald Reagan and George W Bush!

Pray for W and The Iraqi Government

1,149 posted on 06/28/2004 8:46:28 PM PDT by bray (Let's win one more for the Gipper)
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To: FreeReign
Stick around here and read the posted articles and some of the replies. I think you'll find over time here that some of the things you thought were true are not. For instance, your above two statements.

Thanks - will do!

1,150 posted on 06/28/2004 8:46:38 PM PDT by mastequilla
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To: Valin
Thanks for the link:


1,151 posted on 06/28/2004 8:53:33 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: bray
Pray for W and The Iraqi Government

Every day my friend. And I pray that one day Iraq will be the kind of place where President Bush can walk down a city street and be given the accolades he deserves.

1,152 posted on 06/28/2004 8:54:17 PM PDT by mastequilla
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To: NautiNurse

See #854 this thread..


1,153 posted on 06/29/2004 5:01:49 AM PDT by ken5050 (We've looked for WMD in Iraq for LESS time than Hillary looked for the Rose Law firm billing records)
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To: Southack

ANY WORD ON THE GENERAL POPULATION OF IRAQ AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS? I HAVE YET TO HEAR ONE STORY


1,154 posted on 06/29/2004 7:58:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,this is like liberal logic,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø))
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To: Allegra

thank you for your service.


1,155 posted on 06/29/2004 9:52:36 AM PDT by bigghurtt (Liberals are the self-righteous, led by the self-serving, for the benefit of the self-interested.)
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To: mastequilla

"Remember the words of President Bush after 9/11, urging us to go on with our lives and not change the way we live for it would be granting a victory to the terrorists. If today's events were carried out as they were due to terrorist activity, then yes, the terrorists have won a symbolic victory. Anytime one changes ones behavior as a result of terrorist activity then the terrorists are winning."

I did not take this early turnover to be done with thought of the terrorists in mind. The President also has repeatedly said that we would not be in Iraq any longer than necessary. If this harmed terrorists plans that is just too bad for them. This was done for the Iraqi people.


1,156 posted on 06/30/2004 8:40:13 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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