Girl Shoots, Kills Father After Abduction in Nevada, Police Said

AP ^ | Published: Jun 23, 2004 | The Associated Press

[Jet Jaguar]

SILVER SPRINGS, Nev. (AP) - A teenage girl shot and killed her father Wednesday after he kidnapped her and two sisters at gunpoint and shot their mother in the face, authorities said.

The man was found dead in his car near a park about 30 miles east of Carson City, authorities said. He apparently had been drinking heavily and fell asleep, giving the girl the opportunity to shoot him.

[alqaz]

There is no way charges will be brought against the child(ren).

Not that this has anyhting to do with case, but a woman can kill her her charging domestic abuse and

a) she will not be charged
b) she will be chargeg and found innocent
c) she will be charged found guilty and then pardoned by the govenor

[alqaz]

There is no way charges will be brought against the child(ren).

Not that this has anyhting to do with case, but a woman can kill her husband charging domestic abuse and

a) she will not be charged
b) she will be chargeg and found innocent
c) she will be charged found guilty and then pardoned by the govenor

[HiTech RedNeck]

Shooting a sleeping man is never self defense

Suppose she believed she could not escape without waking him and risking her death?

[HiTech RedNeck]

(or the death of the other child)

[Bonaparte]

"Shooting a sleeping man is never self defense."

In recent years, a woman blew away her husband with his own shotgun while he slumbered in his easy chair. She was acquitted due to the fact that he had been a wife beater. That was in southern California.

[jwpjr]

We are a country of laws. The proper way to handle this is for the girl to be charged without regard to the circumstances of the shooting then let a judge or jury find her innocent. This is an open and shut case. It's not good to saddle the State Attorney's office with making judgment calls regarding felonies. All things being equal, and they never are, she had every right to shoot him, but the next case may not be so clear cut. We have a system for handling these situations and to fail to use it because it's an 'easy' case puts us on a slippery slope. The prosecutor deserves the protection of the law, next time it might be really important.

[Duchess47]

I understand what you are trying to say. Having said that, I am in the jury pool that would be called to hear this case, it would be a waste of my time, a waste of the county's time and a waste of money.

Yes, next time it might not be so clear, if it isn't, most probably charges would be filed. I'm going to see if I can find out who let this guy out and why. That person shares a great deal of the blame.

[Oztrich Boy]

Oh damn.Sarah Brady and Josh Sugarman have got another example of guns are a menace because most firearm victims are killed by members of their own family or people they know.

[Duchess47]

More information on the case in today's news -

http://rgj.com/news/stories/html/2004/06/23/73877.php

Jaclyn O'Malley (more stories by author)
RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
6/23/2004 10:50 pm
Seeing their only chance for survival, one of three kidnapped teenage girls fatally shot her sleeping father in the head Wednesday with the gun he had used to abduct them from their Silver Springs home, the Lyon County Sheriff’s Office said.

More at link...

Justice of the Peace William Rogers was elected in 2000 for a 6yr term by 51% of the vote.

http://www.lyon-county.org/jcourt/

DAYTON TOWNSHIP JUSTICE COURT
Bill Rogers - Justice of the Peace
235 West Main Street • Dayton, NV 89403
Bill Rogers wrogers@lyon-county.org

He appeared before the 71st Nevada Legislature to argue for a change in the arrest by private citizen laws -

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/71st/Minutes/Senate/JUD/Final/348.html

SENATE BILL 182: Removes authority for private person to take arrested person before nearest magistrate following arrest. (BDR 14-527)

Robert Crowell, Lobbyist, Nevada Judges Association, spoke in support of S.B. 182. He said the bill does not affect the right of a person to make a private arrest, and Judge William Rogers would explain it.

William Rogers, Judge, Dayton Township Justice Court, explained that the bill simply changes the method for private-person arrests. Currently, a private person making an arrest without a warrant must take the arrested person to the nearest available magistrate. The proposal being offered provides, instead, for the person making the arrest to deliver the arrested person to law enforcement. Then law enforcement would take the arrested person before a magistrate.

I am still amazed that Ball was released on bail.

[jwpjr]

The judge could dismiss the case even before the jury was impaneled. The cost is a consideration, but that's why we fund the criminal justice system. I am not saying I think it should be handled this was as much as I'm pointing out that to do so bypasses the system we have set up to handle these things. I don't know about your jurisdiction, but here in Florida it's all but impossible to deny someone bail. The overcrowding is such that they are quite happy to have them out on bond. The system here so overloaded at every level that they've set up a procedure that practically runs on autopilot. If they have no felony record and they have no outstanding felony warrants they're pretty well assured of bonding out. A kid has to steal, and get caught for it, at least 20 cars here before they will be held rather than turned over to their parents. The former mayor ordered police to stop tearing to apprehend car thieves if that was the only reason they would give chase. There had been a number of serious accidents resulting from the chases, as there have been in many places across the country. The number of car thefts skyrocketed because the kids knew the police were powerless to stop them. If a car was stolen in the county and the sheriff's deputies chased it into the city the city police were advised to offer NO assistance even if they were in the direct path of the pursuit. The number of stolen cars rose to 2,000 a month. The policy was changed after the mayoral election and then number of car thefts fell to less than 200 a month. The new mayor pointed out that many of the cars being stolen ended up being used in other crimes. It's a tough call.

[monday]

"The girl's still going to be railroaded, tho. Shooting a sleeping man is never self defense. Alas."

Wrong. There are no charges against the girls.

[jmq]

DSAF----Did society a favor award

[r9etb]

Cindy Ball [the mother] underwent surgery Wednesday and was listed in stable condition at the hospital.

Glad she'll be OK.

Glad the "dad" is dead, too, though it beggars the imagination to learn that the ass-f*** was actually realeased on bail. I think a judge should be tarred and feathered over this.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Wrong. There are no charges against the girls.>>

Yet. And remember that there is no statute of limitations as regards murder.

[thackney]

The proper way to handle this is for the girl to be charged without regard to the circumstances of the shooting then let a judge or jury find her innocent. . This is an open and shut case. It's not good to saddle the State Attorney's office with making judgment calls regarding felonies.

Do you really believe that every death caused by another requires a jury trial? We may disagree where to draw the line but I find it hard to believe that you believe the State Attorney should not be allowed to use some judgement on the merits of taking cases to trial.

[ServesURight]

This poses a dilemma to liberals. As champions of the children, should they support the girl's shooting of her old man? Or do they rant against the gun?

Decisions, decisions.....

[JimRed]

"No, your Honor, he wasn't asleep; I woke him up and shot his a$$."

[Squantos]

DA is part of the system you speak of. He nixes the clear cut cases of self defense/justifiable homicide etc vs just being a clerk of the court and pushing 10 pounds of crap into a 5 pound sack. Why overburden a judge when the system allows and involves the district attorney in such a matter after careful investigation of the facts ?

I'll agree to disagree with ya ! Just because your car goes 150 miles per hour doesn't mean ya have to drive it at 150 every day !

If the DA doesn't see a reason to charge then that's that. If someone else sees fault or errors on the DA's part then a grand jury gets involved to see if the no bill is valid.


Stay safe !

[jwpjr]

I will defer to your points. You obviously have a better understanding of the system than I do. Now that you mention it, I can not remember a DA getting into hot water for ruling a killing justifiable or self defense. Thank you for a good discussion. I enjoy figuring things out, even when I start out on the side that turns out to be questionable.

[jwpjr]

I was mistaken in my opinion. After I thought it through, and with the input of another who messaged me, I came to the conclusion that DA's decline to prosecute all the time, that's the way the system works. Oops! Thanks for helping bring me to my senses!