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1 posted on 06/13/2004 2:15:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Interesting.


2 posted on 06/13/2004 2:19:02 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: farmfriend

GGG Ping.


3 posted on 06/13/2004 2:19:07 PM PDT by blam
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DNA & Genealogy:

Ozford Ancestors

Family Tree DNA

Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Project

4 posted on 06/13/2004 2:29:49 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: blam
black Britons

Moors are/were not black.
5 posted on 06/13/2004 2:34:41 PM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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Oswald Mosley, please call the office!


6 posted on 06/13/2004 2:37:17 PM PDT by Grut
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To: blam

Does this mean that Brits and Scots are going to come to the US and demand reparations?


7 posted on 06/13/2004 2:43:41 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: blam

hence THE BLACK WATCH? haha


9 posted on 06/13/2004 2:48:03 PM PDT by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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Everyone want s to claim that they are related to the Scots the reality is that by the time the Moors were running around Scotland had already had a long and wonderful history and it continues today...Let them keep trying to define us...they never will


10 posted on 06/13/2004 2:49:27 PM PDT by jnarcus
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Shades of the "Black Irish"
11 posted on 06/13/2004 2:49:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: blam
This is an interesting coincidence.

I happened to be in England recently. Three days ago, I stopped in a pub north of Newcastle (in the vicinity of Hadrian's wall, but on the opposite side of the country from Carlisle.)

The publican was evidently an archaeology enthusiast, because the walls had many interesting maps and illustrations of life in Roman Britain.

One document stated unequivocally that the residents of the area were descended from the Roman legions, and gave examples of local names that might have Roman, Greek, or even Arab origins.

Hardly a word of Latin entered the English language in those days; modern English words of Latin origin mostly came in during the Middle Ages and Renaissance. But it seems clear that the Roman (and perhaps African) blood still flows in the vicinity of Hadrian's Wall.

-ccm

12 posted on 06/13/2004 2:58:44 PM PDT by ccmay
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Borders Folks May Be Descended From Africans

Okay, so now that I know where Borders Folks come from, what about Barnes and Noble?

13 posted on 06/13/2004 3:18:54 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: blam

I thought they were talking about the folks who work in the bookstore.


16 posted on 06/13/2004 4:31:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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"When you talk about Romans in Britain, most people think about blue eyes and pale complexions,"

Why would anyone think Romans had "blue eyes and pale complexions"?


17 posted on 06/13/2004 4:35:40 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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To: blam

Silly racial story. The tribes in Mauretania in the 3rd Century were not black, nor were they Berbers. As far as we can tell at this late date, they were generic Mediterranean peoples, with large dashes of Lebanese, Egyptian, Greek and Roman.

A freed Nubian slave or three was possible, though.


18 posted on 06/13/2004 4:44:21 PM PDT by jimtorr
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Thanks Blam. This got added, but never got pinged, probably when FF stopped coming to FR. Sorry all, this is a Blast from the Past.

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19 posted on 01/24/2006 11:34:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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To: blam

Guess it is worth checking.


20 posted on 01/24/2006 11:42:54 PM PST by Dustbunny (Can we build it - Yes we can - Bob the Builder - Can we win it - Yes we can - Geo. W. Bush)
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To: blam

Most, if not all, of such a unit would have been berbers who are relatively light skinned and who have an eye color range that goes from brown to blue and even green. They are not Arabs and they are not southern African blacks.


31 posted on 01/25/2006 3:28:09 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: blam

Everyone knows how wild and clannish the Scots of the 1st century were--and still are some say. The reason the two Roman walls were built across the Island was because the Romans decided it was safer/easier to wall them out than to try and conquer them.

That being said, how likely was it that occupying Roman soldiers would have been allowed to take land and live in peace once the Roman armies dissolved/withdrew? There was never any peace among the clans, so why would they tolerate outside interlopers?

And I don't see any outsider and former foe being inducted into a clan, even if he'd gotten a maiden with child. More likely, he'd have been killed.


35 posted on 01/25/2006 8:03:33 AM PST by wildbill
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"He believes that DNA tests of locals could reveal genetic links with modern-day north Africans, while skeletons of Romans found in the area might contain telltale clues to their childhood origins. "

This is probably true with any unit which can be identified as to place and origin in the roman area...


37 posted on 01/25/2006 8:56:15 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: blam
This is interesting, but I always have a problem with how assumptions are extracted from few facts. For instance:

Facts:
1)Inscriptions refer to the "numerus of Aurelian Moors"
2) The fort could have held up to 500 men
3) archaeologists discovered a 1,900-year-old wooden sculpture of a black African head in London carved in the first century

Conclusion: "Compelling evidence that a 500-strong unit of Moors manned a fort"

This isn't compelling at all. It could just as well have been 20 Moors in a 500 man unit. And the artifact could just as well have been a war trophy carried to Britain by an Italian soldier.

None of this stops the speculation from being reported as fact.

44 posted on 01/25/2006 10:28:15 AM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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