Ruling on deportation mystifies abortion foes (unborn child US citizen with Const. rights-what?)

The Kansas City Star ^ | 6-6-04 | DONALD BRADLEY

[Egon]

WTF Ping.

[Torie]

You can kill them but you can't deport them

At the risk of going out on a limb, I take it that you disagree with the above as a public policy matter. Would that be a fair assessment?

Moving right along, you will not like this, but the judge's decision is totally correct, as a legal matter. What critical distinguishing element are you missing here, John? This is a test of your mental agility and perspicacity. (By the way, I have not read any of the other posts on this thread. Maybe somebody else got it, maybe not.) I saw Askel's name. Maybe she cut the legal knot here. :)

[Lorianne]

Let me get this straight, the unborn in the USA are entitled to the rights of a citizen, EXCEPT the right to life ???

Did I get that right?

[GovernmentShrinker]

Article. XIV.

Section. 1. All persons BORN or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[AuH2ORepublican]

"That reading of the Constitution goes against the plain wording of the Constitution itself.The Constitution does not define life but clearly says that people born in the United States are citizens. It does not say that people conceived in the United States or carried in their mothers' bellies into the United States are citizens."

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But the 14th Amendment of the Constitution does not say that *only* persons born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. In fact, since the Naturalization Act of 1789, persons born outside the U.S. whose parents are U.S. citizens have been U.S. citizens from birth---while they used to require that both parents be U.S. citizens, now it's only one parent so long as he or she has lived in the U.S. for X years, Y of which were after age 18 (I believe that X=7 and Y=5, but I could be wrong). In the case at bar, the baby would be a U.S. citizen whether he is born in Missouri or Mexico. Of course, our current law does not grant citizenship until actual birth, but it's not like the judge is acting in a way that, but for his action, the baby would not be a U.S. citizen at birth.

I think that, as conservatives, we should be glad whenever any decision is made that recognizes the humanity of unborn children. While this is a liberal judge whose decision surely will be overturned, it is a positive step towards the recognition of rights for unborn babies.

[GovernmentShrinker]

At fertilization the egg and sperm cease to be. They become a one celled blastocyst

Better brush up on your terminology. There is no such thing a "one celled blastocyst". "Blastocyst" refers to the many-celled stage where the embryo has differentiated into two different types of cells, in two separate regions, one of which will become the placenta and the other of which will become the fetus.

[sc2_ct]

Thanks, I was thinking about that over dinner, but I didn't know whether the father was an American citizen. That's great news, hopefully this will start a trend that forces people to actually *think* :)

[cpforlife.org]

Let me get this straight, the unborn in the USA are entitled to the rights of a citizen, EXCEPT the right to life ???

Did I get that right?

Yes in the depraved mind of this sick INjustice.

[cpforlife.org]

Brushing up. Thanks.

[CyberAnt]

Doesn't the Constitution say you have to be "born" in the USA to be a citizen ..?? I don't recall ever reading a provision saying "pregnant" is the same as ..!

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

Thanks for the ping. Orwellian!

[Calpernia]

Hence the new legal symantic!

This one will be a winner.

Cause if you are citizen upon conception....abortions will be murder.

Then let the introduction of new INS forms begin for all the 'vacationers' visiting the USA and conceiving.

One freeper pointed out the worries of Anchoring. I have since thought of a conga line of other technicalities.

But abortion being ruled as murder would be a step in the right direction. I think working backwards from there would be easier.

[F.J. Mitchell]

You can't deport a pregnant woman because the unborn is an American citizen with Constitutional rights. Yet if the mother decided to snuff the kid, he/she has no right to not be murdered.

Anyone else remember the bazoro Superman, from the planet bazoro? His secret identity is the Judge in this case. Hee Hee, he has been outed.

[Condor51]

How come a woman has the right to decide to kill her child and I dont(sic) have the right to decide whether or not I wear a seat belt?

Because Sarge, Abortion is in the Constitution and NOT wearing a seat belt isn't!

Wait.... Never Mind :-)

[RichardMoore]

I think that this judge is using this case knowing that it will be challenged all the way up to the Supreme Court. The child is a citizen only after it is born and he knows that. This is a clever deception on the part of pro-abortion forces in this country.

[zip]

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