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Why anyone would give money to the ACLU, I have no idea.
Why are we supposed to kowtow to the minority on every issue? Isn't this nation based on MAJORITY RULE?
No Way......That cross belongs to the American Taxpayers; not the ACLU.
What is the ACLU going to do with the names of cities such as La Crosse, WI, and Los Cruces, NM? And all the towns named Saint Paul, MN, and all the Santa ...s? Where does this nonsense end?
ACLU obviously has WAY too much money and time on their hands. It is one thing to bully a small municipality into covering up part of their history, but the very name 'Los Angeles' conjures up images of divine and heavenly beings of supernatural power. Are they going to go after cities that have similar connotations in their names, like San Antonio, or San Francisco, or St. Petersburg?
More to follow, news at 11:00.
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Maybe the first thing to do is to politely walk up to a ACLU member or lawyer and tell them to stand down and disband for their own safety. If they refuse, politely excuse yourself for your prompt and immediate reactions. The ball continues to drop on America, are you ready?
The city of Our Lady of the Angels.
When are they going to screw with that?
ACLU= Absolutely Clueless Liberal Union
screw the ACLU and the horse it rode in on. Im sick of this crap.
Best line: Mike Antonovich, County Supervisor, “Your failure to understand the history and to rewrite it from the so-called political correctness follows the hate of past book burners.”
ACLU Threatens County Seal Lawsuit
Newhall Signal - 5/26/04
The American Civil Liberties Union says it will sue the county unless it removes a tiny cross from its official seal.
The ACLU Southern California chapter said Monday the “Latin cross” on the nearly 50-year-old seal is a religious symbol and represents a government-sponsored endorsement of Christianity. The seal was adopted 47 years ago.
“Los Angeles County is the most diverse county in the United States, and if the city of Redlands decided it had to do something, we think the county of Los Angeles should also,” ACLU Executive Director Ramona Ripston said.
The organization said the complaint was prompted by phone calls it received after the city of Redlands recently agreed to remove a cross from its seal.
Fifth District Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich defended the county seal and criticized the ACLU’s threat, which the organization articulated in a letter last week.
“Your May 19th letter concerning Los Angeles County was right out of a George Orwell novel,” Antonovich told the ACLU in a statement Tuesday. “Your failure to understand the history and to rewrite it from the so-called political correctness follows the hate of past book burners.”
Antonovich said the county’s history began in the 1700s “when Father Serra built a mission, named after St. Gabriel, in the San Gabriel Valley. This was followed a few years later when members of the church walked 12 miles to today’s Olvera Street to build the pueblo. Later, the mission in San Fernando was built.”
Antonovich noted that the pueblo was named “the Angels,” and that “names from the Bible have been used to name cities and streets.”
“The cross on our county seal reflects these historical facts,” his statement said. “It does not mean that we are all Roman Catholic or that everyone who resides in our county is a Christian.”
Antonovich thought it curious that the ACLU singled out a Christian symbol.
“Also figured prominently on the county seal is Pomona, the mythical Roman goddess of fruit,” Antonovich’s statement said. “Regarding a pagan goddess on the county’s seal, the ACLU’s silence is deafening.”
County spokeswoman Judy Hammond said removing the cross from the seal would cost “untold thousands and thousands of dollars” because the image appears on many of the county’s 5,000 buildings and thousands of vehicles, as well as stationery, business cards, plaques, flags and Internet sites.
ACLU threatens county suit
Group wants cross removed from seal - By Troy Anderson
Los Angeles Daily News 5/25/04
Nearly half a century after Los Angeles County adopted an official seal with a tiny cross in it, the local American Civil Liberties Union chapter declared it unconstitutional and threatened on Monday to sue to have it removed.
The ACLU Southern California chapter said the "Latin cross" on the seal is a "sectarian religious symbol" and reflects an "impermissible endorsement of Christianity."
The seal was adopted 47 years ago but the ACLU never challenged it. The organization said its complaint was prompted by phone calls it received after the city of Redlands recently agreed to remove a cross from the city seal.
The letter to the county is similar to one the ACLU sent to Redlands.
"Los Angeles County is the most diverse county in the United States, and if the city of Redlands decided it had to do something, we think the county of Los Angeles should also," ACLU Executive Director Ramona Ripston said.
Douglas W. Kmiec, chairman and professor of constitutional law at the Pepperdine University School of Law, said there is little in U.S. Supreme Court precedents that would "demand such erasure of history."
"I think this is unfortunately an all-too-commonplace effort to revise history and to expunge from the historical record all evidence of religious belief," Kmiec said. "It would be hard, it seems to me, to conclude that anyone seeing the seal of Los Angeles County would feel coerced to believe in a particular religious faith."
The county seal was designed by former county Supervisor Kenneth Hahn, the father of Los Angeles Mayor James Hahn, and was adopted by the Board of Supervisors on March 1, 1957.
The cross represents the influence of the church and the history of the missions of California, which dates back to the 1700s when missions were built in San Fernando and San Gabriel, according to the county's Web site.
Mayor Hahn stands by the seal and is disappointed by the ACLU's threats that the cross should be eliminated, said his spokeswoman Shannon Murphy. She said it represents a cross at the Pilgrimage Theater, near the Hollywood Bowl, and that the mayor believes it is an important part of Los Angeles history.
County spokeswoman Judy Hammond said removing it would cost "untold thousands and thousands of dollars" because the seal is on many of the county's 5,000 buildings, thousands of vehicles, stationery, business cards, plaques, flags and Internet sites.
Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich wrote in a letter to Ripston that her letter was "right out of a George Orwell novel. Your failure to understand the history and to rewrite it from the so-called political correctness follows the hate of past book burners."
"To say Christians have no rights and we are not a part of the history of this county is offensive to us who are Christians," said Pastor Stan Lubeck of the Church at Rocky Peak in Chatsworth.
Earlier thread on this story.
Hey, I wonder what's next? A ban on all lowercase 'T's because they look like crosses?
I hate the ACLU.
Hey, ACLU: [unprintable][scatological][anatomically difficult]!
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What if someone were to just say "no" to the thugs?
What if everyone were to just say "no" to the thugs?