Posted on 05/26/2004 12:26:14 PM PDT by TomGuy
Edited on 05/26/2004 12:49:01 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
FoxNews: Nichols verdict in...
Update:
Today: May 26, 2004 at 12:41:39 PDT
Nichols Convicted of State Murder Charges
ASSOCIATED PRESS
McALESTER, Okla. (AP) - Nearly a decade after the Oklahoma City bombing, Terry Nichols was convicted of 161 state murder charges Wednesday for helping carry out what was then the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil. He could get the death sentence he escaped when he was convicted in federal court in the 1990s.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2004/may/26/052607133.html
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Thank heavens I have you to straighten me out.
The possibility of getting help while in the Phillipines has intrigue..The arabs met fellow jihadists over there. What is suspected and what is provable is a problem.
And where is flight 77?...and the buildings of the WTC could not have fallen because of the intense heat and damage from the planes flying into the buildings? Oliver Stone , where are you?
(Yes I've seen the sites and read the conspiracy theories...)..Some French writer is a hoot..and laughing all the way to the bank on his theories.
It will be Bush's fault after Gore-less revises the history and rants again on MoveOn.com
Krauthammer said it sounded like Gore was off his lithium!
Yes I've seen the sites and read the conspiracy theories...
But without thought and comprehension?
I read the posts tearing the theories apart... I am not interested in continuing this. Find someone who agrees with you and you will be happier. There are other sites that love this stuff....
Nah - Christian Terrorism doesn't count.
Kim...
I accept your concession.
i wonder how the federal govt can sleep at night when the gilty go free and the scapegoats get slaughtered or murdered it was reported by a newspaper in london that gov of oklahoma stated that there were 3 bombs were removed that were planted inside the murrah fed building. so it makes me wonder why the defence of nichols hasn't supoeaned the gov keating! www.thenewamerican.com/focus/okc/
Go find someone else to play your moral equivalence games with...
One was a crime carefully plotted to kill the maximum, number of people...Innocent people and babies died and were maimed. The parents were not given a choice of taking the children and leaving.
The other was an ill conceived arrest and raid from the get go and very poorly led .The consequences of the actions were dreadful. The parents chose not to leave. It resulted in innocents dying...
The result was tragic in both cases...the intent was not the same.
I read a lot of things that are not true.
#123 and #132
Opposite of Right -______________________-is Just Wrong
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I do.
The Murrah building had some deficiencies in its structure.
In the upper floors of the building, there were ten pillars; the floor slabs hooked into notches on these pillars. At the third floor, these ten pillars rested on a transfer beam, along with the third floor slab. This transfer beam rested on four pillars down to the ground.
The first issue is that at the ground level, each of the four pillars was doing the work of two or three pillars higher up. That's not a good idea from a safety standpoint--there is no margin of safety if a ground pillar fails.
The truck blew up, and demolished one ground pillar 20 feet away from the truck.
If nothing else had happened, that would've been enough to eventually collapse part of the building. The three remaining pillars didn't give enough support for the building to remain standing for very long.
But that wasn't all that the bomb did to the building.
The upper floor slabs all reacted to the blast, which put a huge load on their undersides. Most floor loads are measured in tens of pounds per square foot; the blast wave generated floor loads of TONS per square foot, in the opposite direction. The floor slabs simply rested in slots on the pillars; they were not secured by anything except gravity. The floor slabs came out of their slots.
The third floor slab came up, too. This is important.
The upper pillars also moved due to the blast wave. They didn't move in perfect sync with the floor slabs, which is why the slabs came out of their slots on the pillars.
This is where a really stupid decision in constructing the Murrah building made itself felt. Remember, there's nothing on top of the transfer beam to hold it in place because the blast wave lifted everything off.
The transfer beam was NOT welded to the tops of the footing pillars. With the weight of the building came off of the transfer beam, the beam simply fell off the pillar tops and landed inside the building.
Remember what that transfer beam did? It supported both the third floor slab and the ten upper floor pillars, which supported the 4th through 10th floor slabs.
Well, it wasn't supporting anything any more, and when the blast wave passed, the floor slabs and pillars started coming down--with nothing to rest on. And they didn't stop falling until they hit the ground.
Uncle Sam saved a few bucks on that building by not making sure that the floor slabs were firmly connnected to the pillars, and by not having the transfer beam welded to the ground pillar tops. The government saved a few bucks, and those few bucks killed 168 people.
A close friends father is in demolitions for the city and he claims there is no way that bomb would have caused damage to the building like that.
Ask him about the points I raised above. The bomb didn't do all of that damage; it merely compromised the structural integrity of the building, and there wasn't enough structural redundancy for the building to remain standing.
It's worth noting that if McVeigh had tried to blow up a building in California, and that building were built after 1985, all the truck bomb would've done is shatter the windows. Earthquake-proof construction makes sure that EVERYTHING in the building is tied together, so that you don't get one component moving one way and an adjacent piece moving in another--that's how buildings collapse.
Wonder what ever happened to the "multiple high-tech explosive devices" found on the scene as reported by multiple news networks.
Wait a minute. If they found unexploded bombs, then they didn't detonate--in which case, there was one bomb.
If there were multiple bombs, and they detonated, then they wouldn't have been "unexploded bombs," would they?
In reality, there were suspicious objects found atop the rubble. The rule is that after a large-scale bombing, rescue workers treat ANYTHING that they believe to be suspicious as if it were another bomb.
He may indeed be guilty but there is soo much more to this story than the average sheep american can stomach. People need to ask more questions.
I do. Some of McVeigh's associates were federal informants. They were paid to solicit others to commit crimes. I'm convinced that's why the FBI covered up so much stuff--because they'd have to admit that they were stupid and incompetent enough to pay "informants" the money that went into building that bomb.
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