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Any thoughts on this subject? I think I've been doing too much con law :)


2 posted on 05/16/2004 1:02:40 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7

You've been doing much con law :)


3 posted on 05/16/2004 1:04:17 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: jmstein7
I think I've been doing too much con law :)

While Justice Holmes makes me shiver at times, I think he is right here.

4 posted on 05/16/2004 1:05:34 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: jmstein7
Hmmmm. Let me pass an email along from a wannabe poster (likely a liberal) who got banned quickly, who found my email, and my reply. Draw your own conclusions:

"Re: your comments on Free Republic, Interesting how all the "patriots" at FR brook no opposing viewpoints or dissent. That board's right, I suppose, but about as un-American as you can get. Yes, "Christian patriot" and "liberal" are synonymous--unless you equate "Christian" with "hate," which I do not. And FR just roils with hate, as I discovered after perusing the forum for a couple of hours. I would've replied to you via the board, but I was banned after two comments, neither of which contained obscenities or insults. Respect to you, sir, for your differing views. Would that you could offer the same for mine."

My Reply was:

I dont run that board, but I am sorry you were quickly banned if indeed that was the case. There is plenty of vigorous debate. Just not debates that start accusing everyone on FR of "rioling with hate" or "un-America" as you describe. That's a slur. Yes, if you start calling people on FR hatemongers, etc., you will get banned. I've noticed that posts from new users that look to be disruptive comments rather than helpful comments will be removed / banned. Again, I dont make the rules for that site, take it up with those who do.

As for "Yes, "Christian patriot" and "liberal" are synonymous--unless you equate "Christian" with "hate," which I do not. And FR just roils with hate, as I discovered after perusing the forum for a couple of hours." : Many tenets of liberalism attack the Christian moral world-view, as today's sermon in my church pointed out; our culture is quite secular, and many of those secular elements are being pushed by the left. Most Christians have woken up to this, and see that one party, the Democrat party, is completely in the clutches of the secularists on cultural matters. Did you know that the Democrats will have a *quota* on the number of delegates to their convention that engage in homosexuality and lesbianism? A quota? How is the leftist push for gay marriage etc. compatible with eg Catholic Church's teaching on family, marriage, and children? It isnt.

And of course, you have leftists and liberals like Sen Ted Kennedy who are giving aid and comfornt to America's enemies in their lust to gain partisan advantage. They put partisanship above patriotism. Yet NOBODY in the Democrat party is out there condemning Ted Kennedy, nore the lies of Michael Moore and other leftist blowhards engaged in out-and-out lies against Bush that harm not just our political debate but our world standing; the Democrat establishment doesnt dislike it, in fact they encourage it. So IMHO the comment is well-founded. Liberals and Leftists have abandoned Christian culture and faith in God and country; even more so have been attacking the concept of moral certainty and tried to replace traditional values with perverted moral concepts of multi-culturalism, environmental extremism, the 'culture of death' (proabortion and pro-euthanasia) and neo-pagan moral ethos. This is the kind of point which, if it were not true, we would at least see some evidence of liberals trying to oppose these calamities. (Some old New Deal Liberals have stood up against the many errors of multi-culturalism and moral relativism, but the exception proves the rule.)

Many fine Christians still cling to liberal voting habits or the Democrat party, but mainly because they are not aware of how severe this Leftist intellectual rot is. This is simply a matter of ignorance of how far the New Left has infected and undermined formerly liberal (now truly Leftist) institutions, ideology, and political groups.

As for: " > I would've replied to you via the board, but I was banned after two comments, neither of which contained obscenities or insults. > Respect to you, sir, for your differing views. Would that you could offer the same for mine." The people on FR include people whose sons and daughters are in Iraq, fighting on the front lines. It included people who *themselves* are in Iraq. It includes people of all walks of life, some of us quite well-to-do, others are of humble means and other interests. It's a bunch of real Americans, real patriots - warts and all - who want what is best for this county .... I know, I've met a few. Do you really respect differing views if you engage in ad hominem about this FR group so easily? Anyway, good luck to you.

51 posted on 05/16/2004 1:25:04 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: jmstein7
"I think I've been doing too much con law..."

Keep studying! I flunked Con Law. 'Course I had a lousy teacher but it took until I became an award winning teacher myself to know that.

Folks who post here and are Trolls, usually get flamed into oblivion pretty fast and it's fun to be part of the firing squad. As long as they're not advocating some sort of violent action or blatant bigotry which might get the Robinson's and FR into trouble, I have no problem with them being here and giving us an afternoon of verbal target practice.

70 posted on 05/16/2004 1:30:49 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic. (R.I.P. harpseal))
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I don't fight with trolls. I just type "read my tag line". If they come back with more blather, I send an additional post "tag line."

Since I state "If you are a troll", I'm covered. I don't get a tension headache or high blood pressure or ZOTTED.

87 posted on 05/16/2004 1:38:24 PM PDT by floriduh voter (If You are a Troll, You Are Only Hurting Yourself. www.conservative-spirit.org (FV))
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To: jmstein7

BTTT!!!!!!!


106 posted on 05/16/2004 1:50:24 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: jmstein7

LOL! Is your brain on overload ..??


175 posted on 05/16/2004 2:47:12 PM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: jmstein7

bttt


298 posted on 05/16/2004 5:06:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: jmstein7

My thought is FR should continue just as it is. If we want debate with the screaming rhetoric of the opposition, there are countless websites to choose from. This is a Conservative website - I feel comfortable here - an oasis from the media onslaught against our beliefs.


440 posted on 05/16/2004 8:40:48 PM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: jmstein7
Criticizing the President or this war often gets you called a troll or unpatriotic around here. Teddy Roosevelt had a much better rebuttal than I could ever come up with:

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. ~ Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

505 posted on 05/17/2004 7:06:54 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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