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Trolls, Honest Dissenters, And The Marketplace of Ideas in a Free Republic
5-16-04 | jmstein7

Posted on 05/16/2004 12:59:53 PM PDT by jmstein7

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To: Jim Robinson

"Sorry pal, I'm not going to waste my time or resources on America hating trolls. If you want to debate these guys, do it on DU or LP or wherever."

Of course you know this makes you an evil, censoring, Nazi conservative. Right. :) HA!

Just kidding for the mods. A heavy dose of sarcasm for Mr. Robinson's neighborhood.


61 posted on 05/16/2004 1:27:48 PM PDT by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Veracious Poet
Maybe he should change the site name to "Jim's Kingdom", that would clear the issue once and for all, right?

Nah. It's understood - a given.

King James of Fresno rules!!!

There are other places on the net. Check 'em out.

62 posted on 05/16/2004 1:27:49 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Did you see that Pravda piece of filth just posted and deleted?..It was venomous lies. That is not a piece that merited discussion, just deletion. It was the marketplace of hatred, not ideas.


63 posted on 05/16/2004 1:28:13 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: jmstein7
Here's one of my posts from this thread from Friday night. It basically summarizes my position on this issue. The whole thread is quite interesting, actually, and a good introduction for anyone who isn't up to speed on this debate.

Post 107: Disruptors are a nuisance, and they should be banned. Agreed. But conservatism and the Republican party are two different things. When someone expresses an honest opinion, and they are at odds with the big government agenda of the politicians, that's good.

I am loyal to the Constitution. Period. I don't care who it is, if a politician puts forth an idea that diminishes my power and increases the power of the Federal Government, that's a problem. I will say so, here and everywhere.

FR is a conservative forum, but moreover it's Jim's forum. As for what opinions are expressed in that regard, he can make the call on those issues.

64 posted on 05/16/2004 1:28:31 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (I'll start watching NASCAR when they start running figure 8s.)
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To: breakem

So change the channel already. Poof. Problem solved.


65 posted on 05/16/2004 1:29:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: jmstein7
I think FR has amazing latitude in expressing opinions. Go to DU to find the fascist mentality of liberlism.
66 posted on 05/16/2004 1:29:17 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: Cicero
For instance, are Libertarians willing to recognize that they may want to support pro-life, anti-drug conservative politicians because these politicians will give them much more of what they value than pro-abort, pro-drug liberal politicians?

Many, such as myself, have exactly this view.

67 posted on 05/16/2004 1:29:46 PM PDT by sourcery (This is your country. This is your country under socialism. Any questions? Just say no to Socialism!)
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To: cyborg

You're funny. :)


68 posted on 05/16/2004 1:29:46 PM PDT by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Veracious Poet

That wasn't the point. This is a private forum, and there is a very, very good, sound reason for banning trolls.


69 posted on 05/16/2004 1:30:19 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7
"I think I've been doing too much con law..."

Keep studying! I flunked Con Law. 'Course I had a lousy teacher but it took until I became an award winning teacher myself to know that.

Folks who post here and are Trolls, usually get flamed into oblivion pretty fast and it's fun to be part of the firing squad. As long as they're not advocating some sort of violent action or blatant bigotry which might get the Robinson's and FR into trouble, I have no problem with them being here and giving us an afternoon of verbal target practice.

70 posted on 05/16/2004 1:30:49 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic. (R.I.P. harpseal))
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To: don-o

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts


71 posted on 05/16/2004 1:31:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: jmstein7
Here is a bit of FR dissent. I loved your font size because it was easy on the old eyes. The print is too small for easy reading, and the posters who questioned your font size must be 22 years old with perfect vision.
72 posted on 05/16/2004 1:31:38 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: breakem
"...and we put new people through hell."

It's called vetting. If you don't know why it's needed, you never met bogdanpolska or hurtgenforest or classygreeneyedblonde.

73 posted on 05/16/2004 1:31:39 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: jmstein7; Jim Robinson

If this place wasn't moderated, it would descend into a soupy grey mass of flamers, DU buttheads, neonazis and tinfoil nutters. Did I leave out anyone? It's be like Lord of the Flies.


74 posted on 05/16/2004 1:31:58 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Jim Robinson

That's a classic -- made me an activist.


75 posted on 05/16/2004 1:32:00 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: Jim Robinson
I don't do those threads and you have the same choice, don't go there (you said earlier you don't want to waste your time with them).

We now have a wolfpack mentality instead of a discuss them into submission one, which seemed to work for the preceding years. I know I've got flame scars to show for it.

Many of our threads are just people spouting the party line and cheerleading. It's more entertaining to butt heads then to listen to the cheers. IMO of course.

76 posted on 05/16/2004 1:32:02 PM PDT by breakem (formerly bigsigh)
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To: cyborg

Exactly, and that is why trolls NEED to be banned.


77 posted on 05/16/2004 1:32:39 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: Petronski

I started the forest demise, so don't preach to the choir. I've seen some very good first time posts get ratpacked. You need to vett some of the vets while you're at it.


78 posted on 05/16/2004 1:33:37 PM PDT by breakem (formerly bigsigh)
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To: breakem

Personally, I think banning should be reserved for extreme cases...as far the rest of the fake-conservatives, they should be attacked with honest TRUE conservative rhetoric whenever they show up and start spewing their neo-con, statist and/or facist diatribe.

But hey, that's just my opinion...


79 posted on 05/16/2004 1:33:52 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Cash cows are sacred in America...GOT MILKED???)
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To: Jim Robinson
There we have it.

Btw, Jim, my "King James" was not ironic or sarcastic, at all.

Maybe a bit over the top, but heartfelt. I greatly appreciate you, John, the mods and all the supporters.

80 posted on 05/16/2004 1:34:19 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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