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Trolls, Honest Dissenters, And The Marketplace of Ideas in a Free Republic
5-16-04 | jmstein7

Posted on 05/16/2004 12:59:53 PM PDT by jmstein7

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To: trussell

"In Jim Robinson's home (Free Republic) I feel the same rules apply. He alone has the right to say what is allowed in his home, and we must respect that or leave!!"

This is not Jim Rob's home, however. Free Republic is a wonderful thing, it's gotten bigger than one person's personal website. This more like Jim Rob's Debating Society. he's built a public space that anyone browsing the net can amble into, that hundreds of folks post to every day. Lots of people now chip in money to support this internet Debating Society. The community, not just Jim Rob, now make what is FR.

So, we can defer to Jim Rob's vision since he's running it, but what that vision should be should be asked in terms of what is best for the whole FR community here.


81 posted on 05/16/2004 1:36:29 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: jmstein7

"Comment #20 Removed by Moderator"

oh, the irony!


82 posted on 05/16/2004 1:37:11 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: WOSG

LOL


83 posted on 05/16/2004 1:37:41 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: breakem

I'm not in charge vetting, no one is. And I'm not preaching to the choir. You should understand better than most why vetting would be necessary. Ultimately, if someone leaves in a huff, it's their failure. If they're banned, well, that's their failure too. An inability to appreciate that last point is a misunderstanding of terms like 'guest' and 'hospitality.'


84 posted on 05/16/2004 1:37:52 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"You are free to open your own site."

True, but it would never be as good and important as yours!

Note: Even though I think you get a little heavy handed at times, I can see you often have no choice

85 posted on 05/16/2004 1:37:53 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Cash cows are sacred in America...GOT MILKED???)
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To: Veracious Poet

I agree about the banning, but some bans have been very quick tempered. One night a young marine was banned for saying Reno investigated Clinton more than Bush did. I thought the ccomment was astute. He was banned for being a liberal. There is sometimes a mob reaction or quick trigger on these threads. All you have to do is have the wrong person cry to the moderator.


86 posted on 05/16/2004 1:37:56 PM PDT by breakem (formerly bigsigh)
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To: jmstein7
I don't fight with trolls. I just type "read my tag line". If they come back with more blather, I send an additional post "tag line."

Since I state "If you are a troll", I'm covered. I don't get a tension headache or high blood pressure or ZOTTED.

87 posted on 05/16/2004 1:38:24 PM PDT by floriduh voter (If You are a Troll, You Are Only Hurting Yourself. www.conservative-spirit.org (FV))
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To: WOSG
This is not Jim Rob's home, however.

!

88 posted on 05/16/2004 1:39:05 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Petronski

86 regarding banning.


89 posted on 05/16/2004 1:39:17 PM PDT by breakem (formerly bigsigh)
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To: explodingspleen

"On the other hand, the mods can be a little nuts sometime."

Agreed. Sometimes some nasty freeper will accuse one of "stalking" or some such nonsense, in an effort to get one banned, and the admin mods jump down your throat before investigating and finding out that the complainer is a liar. They do apologize when they are wrong, though.


90 posted on 05/16/2004 1:40:23 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: Lancey Howard
hell, I know a recent person on the freep who is a BUSH TEAM LEADER that was banned (now how silly is that).

Me too and he doesn't even know why he was ZOTTED for life.

91 posted on 05/16/2004 1:41:20 PM PDT by floriduh voter (If You are a Troll, You Are Only Hurting Yourself. www.conservative-spirit.org (FV))
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To: don-o

We do have liberal larry..I just had a discussion with him today...He likes Sy Hersh.I always ping him to good news that is happening in Iraq (or the Saddam torture pictures today)! He doesn't get over the line much and I even managed to help educate him about communists in government during the McCarthy era once.


92 posted on 05/16/2004 1:42:09 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: HAL9000

"In a nutshell, we at FR do not support viewpoint discrimination."

There are many people here who support viewpoint discrimination, and flame those who don't jump on whatever the bandwagon du jour is. It's gotten so unpleasant that I don't visit as often as I used to...


93 posted on 05/16/2004 1:42:22 PM PDT by Henrietta
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To: CurlyFro

"The Secret Service has "protest zones" set up far away from the President. A man was arrested for having a "F U G W" sign. The mentality of "you are with us or you are against us" so prevelant nowadays stifles open debate."


Are you unaware that this was just as intense, if not more so, when the Clintons were in office? Haven't you read anything about Hillary and her "goon squad"? This sort of thing is nothing new...it's just that it's reported in the mainstream, liberal press now.


94 posted on 05/16/2004 1:42:35 PM PDT by Maria S ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm."George W. Bush 1/20/01)
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To: WOSG
So, we can defer to Jim Rob's vision since he's running it, but what that vision should be should be asked in terms of what is best for the whole FR community here.

Why?

95 posted on 05/16/2004 1:42:41 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: All

My point was why trolls should be banned and why it is good for FReepers to flame the h*ll out of them when the do come here. We need to keep reinforcing the righteous and justness of our cause. We are right, and our ideas and ideals must prevail. We just need to remember why we believe and fight for what we believe.

And, I have worked my hardest to help get President Bush re-elected... and I will continue to fight to do so.

I think, though, that we:
a) need to keep focusing on pounding Kerry and
b) need to set our sights on the main-stream media and expose it to the pulic for what it is -- a left-wing propaganda machine.


96 posted on 05/16/2004 1:43:13 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: breakem
One night a young marine was banned for saying Reno investigated Clinton more than Bush did. I thought the comment was astute. He was banned for being a liberal.

I don't know if I would have banned him under the circumstances you describe, but it is also not my call. Further, since I did not see that thread, I don't know if he was banned solely because of the circumstances you describe. Finally, I don't know if the banned poster was a young marine.

97 posted on 05/16/2004 1:44:10 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: hole_n_one
How long do you suppose someone would last at FR with a tagline of Kerry For President!?

Beats the hell out of me.

98 posted on 05/16/2004 1:45:16 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Kerry For President!)
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To: SamAdams76

LOL


99 posted on 05/16/2004 1:45:41 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: jmstein7

Why do you feel that banning folks establishes the righteousness of our cause. To me it shows an unnecessary use of power for power's sake. If you want to show the correctness of your position use words and engage the heathen interloper. What we have now is a game and encourages groupthink and a mob mentality.


100 posted on 05/16/2004 1:46:00 PM PDT by breakem (formerly bigsigh)
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