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Trolls, Honest Dissenters, And The Marketplace of Ideas in a Free Republic
5-16-04 | jmstein7

Posted on 05/16/2004 12:59:53 PM PDT by jmstein7

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Any thoughts?
1 posted on 05/16/2004 12:59:53 PM PDT by jmstein7
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To: Mich0127; RightRules; MeekOneGOP; Peach; onyx; backhoe; Mia T; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ...

Any thoughts on this subject? I think I've been doing too much con law :)


2 posted on 05/16/2004 1:02:40 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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You've been doing much con law :)


3 posted on 05/16/2004 1:04:17 PM PDT by cyborg
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I think I've been doing too much con law :)

While Justice Holmes makes me shiver at times, I think he is right here.

4 posted on 05/16/2004 1:05:34 PM PDT by eddie willers
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Any thoughts?

Uh..... turn down your font???? is that the answer..?

I'm sorry, I mean, "What is 'turn down your font'?

;-)

5 posted on 05/16/2004 1:06:22 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is .)
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I agree that FR is simply looking for honest and open debate.

You probably should have used a large font for a discussion of this level of importance.


6 posted on 05/16/2004 1:06:59 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: jmstein7

Yes, you *have* been doing too much con law - LOL! :-)

Your "nutshell" summation says it all. It's healthy and refreshing to be able to debate, in a civilized manner, honest, opposing points of view.

Too many times, those with opposing views have been unfairly called "trolls" - I have seen it happen to longtime members and it is very disheartening.


7 posted on 05/16/2004 1:07:15 PM PDT by dansangel (*PROUD to be a knuckle-dragging, toothless, inbred, right-wing, Southern, gun-toting Neanderthal *)
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I support the removal of Trolls and the like when they do the following:

1)Openly support the killing of our Troops
2)Openly support the overthrowing of our government. (If ya don't like something, get off your butt and vote!)
3)Openly give aid and comfort to our enemies
4)Openly support the killing of our President or any government officials.

There is nothing wrong with dissent. I actually enjoy the debates when it doesn't come down to name calling. Unfortunately, it usually does.


8 posted on 05/16/2004 1:07:45 PM PDT by MoJo2001 (?sdrawkcab siht gnidaer eb uoy dluow esle yhW .derob eb tsum uoY)
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To: jmstein7

In my home...my guests must adhere to my rules. That includes keeping their language clean and not being disruptive to the moral upbringing of my children.

In Jim Robinson's home (Free Republic) I feel the same rules apply. He alone has the right to say what is allowed in his home, and we must respect that or leave!!


9 posted on 05/16/2004 1:08:06 PM PDT by trussell (Member: Viking Kitty Society; Member: Troll Patrol; Member: Insider Fraud watch...)
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Factual vigorous debate and discussion is welcome here. Ad hominem or dishonesty is not.


10 posted on 05/16/2004 1:09:14 PM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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Your claims are true to the point of being trivial: no one would disagree with you. We all want honest dissent, otherwise FR becomes an echo chamber.

The issue or problem is specifying precisely what is meant by "honest dissent"--and this is an editorial, not an operational category (i.e. we rely on the moderators to make those judgements).
11 posted on 05/16/2004 1:09:19 PM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To identify a troll sounds more art than science.

It does seem to me, however, that a conservative web site would be justified in stating that liberal ideas, in general, had been rejected and are not part of the desired debate. It seems fair to send advocates of these ideas on to sites that welcome them. It seems fair to confine the debate within certain parameters desired by the founder of the site.


12 posted on 05/16/2004 1:09:30 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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I wasn't sure what the response would be when I first posted here after lurking for a while. The views expressed here are quite often contrary to my own. I expected to be ignored, scorned or even blacklisted. Yet some people had thoughtful replies to my comments. Thank you for that.

But it seems that the First Amendment is being ignored in the United States. The Secret Service has "protest zones" set up far away from the President. A man was arrested for having a "F U G W" sign. The mentality of "you are with us or you are against us" so prevelant nowadays stifles open debate.

Comments, anyone else?


13 posted on 05/16/2004 1:10:06 PM PDT by CurlyFro
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To: trussell

I've never called a fellow freeper a troll. The only folks I call trolls are the coconuts who sign up the same day or lurked for five years without a single post. Dissenters are here, and I don't see what the fuss is. Law and order is good thing, esp. in a forum visited by the media.


15 posted on 05/16/2004 1:10:43 PM PDT by cyborg
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How long do you suppose someone would last at FR with a tagline of Kerry For President!?
16 posted on 05/16/2004 1:11:02 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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I've noted that we can dissent on some things but not on others.

I know that I've been called an idiot for expressing the opinion that perhaps we shouldn't have gone into Iraq.

I haven't called others an idiot, and there are plenty of well known conservatives that agree with this position, but I've suffered abuse for it.


17 posted on 05/16/2004 1:11:44 PM PDT by PolitBase
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To: MoJo2001
MoJo!!
18 posted on 05/16/2004 1:12:08 PM PDT by trussell (Member: Viking Kitty Society; Member: Troll Patrol; Member: Insider Fraud watch...)
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Any thoughts?

Yeah. What's the deal with the font size? It's irritating.

19 posted on 05/16/2004 1:12:09 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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It seems clear Boxsmith13 and FA14 were both banned - yet never suggested killing of our troops, overthrowing the government - hell, I know a recent person on the freep who is a BUSH TEAM LEADER that was banned (now how silly is that).


20 posted on 05/16/2004 1:12:16 PM PDT by RVS95
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