Posted on 05/14/2004 3:43:32 AM PDT by calcowgirl
Also good for this are "trekking in the Amazon" or "exploring ruins in Guatemala" etc.
I have said that and worse! He could ave been intecepting our signals. A lot of the ambush's were suspicious.
How about "shopping the Garment District" or "looking for car radios in Watts"....might be safer..hehehe
What's the latest on the orange jump suit. That and his trek through Ghana seemed to tip more about the veracity of the reports.
I don't agree,.
His Dads liberal voice speaking out right now is a real detriment to the President.
If you're like me, you never seem to get 'caught up'!
I'm not one for "conspiracy theories"...but here it is Monday, and I don't know any more about what or who Berg was then I did on Friday.
That was a reply to post#1... I wonder if you have read the whole thread? It is incredible how things do NOT add up about this guy...
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Sorry, but I still think there is something worth looking into here.
The coincidences of: stolen computer/terrorist, Jew with terrorist friends in OK, "humanitarian" foreign trips, maverick radioman working R convention on non-union basis in Philly, refusal to be given passage by the US out of Iraq after saying he was "trying" to according to dad, very suspicious contacts in Iraq and OK and the rest of his life (apparently), "strongly interested in Judiasm" while carrying a Koran, shifting from Cornell to (apparently) terrorist hotbed OU after his trip overseas, daddy's behavior, many more we can add to this list...
All of these, one at a time or even a few together, would be completely random, statistical events. As with some other stories we have had, this one just doesn't to pass the test, though.
My bet is that there is more that you and I aren't privy to, and whether we never hear more about this, Ashcroft and our intelligence services will.
By the way, I do NOT think Berg is a bona-fide traitor.
If he has connection to the terrorists who eventually murdered him, he is likely to have been a completely innocent dupe (dope).
I think we and the rest of the media and probably the intelligence community are still in the "brainstorming" phase of the Berg story...
My initial reaction too, until he opened his mouth and blamed Bush. I have a son Nick's age. If he was slaughtered like a goat I think my last reaction would be to make a political statement.
The media is doing what we know it does but nobody put words in this creep's mouth. It is he who is using his beloved son's death for political purposes.
From what I have seen, implications derived from this story that Berg only casually knew Arabs are false implications.
It is pretty well established that he was frequently seen with some of them at Oklahoma U., and that renders this story and whoever put it out questionable.
Your #524 added a whole slew of the coincidences I left out in my post#630, and you left out some of those I put in.
Something just begs to be investigated here. From your post, it is easier to postulate some real underground situation than from the stuff I had included. No matter what, though, it doesn't seem the dots have yet connected.
Don't know if this has been posted yet (didn't read the entire thread...) Google groups search on climbing_hand@hotmail.com and came up with this set of emails/discussion
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=climbing_hand%40hotmail.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=7c60335ea250f88a6233efe9b4a9c614%40news.teranews.com&rnum=1
For those keeping track, here's my list of coincidences from 524:
Any of these oddball coincidences can be explained away. But in the aggragate? It's damned amazing.
There is an email connection to Mousawi. Gee, it could happen to anyone. But it happened to Nick Berg. Has an AQ terrorist ever used one of YOUR emeil accounts and passwords? Me neither.
Two Prometheus outfits out of PA, in the radio business. One for towers (for profit) one for broadcasting (non profit). Nick's dad (Prom. Methods) is an ANSWER wheel, so is Pete Tridish/Dylan Wrynn, the principal of Prom. Radio. Another coincidence.
Mike Berg's sister marries an Iraqi and moves to Mosul, during Saddam's regime. Another coincidence?
When Nick is picked up in Iraq, he's carrying antisemetic literature by some accounts, and a book in Farsi about Iran. Nick speaks and reads no Farsi. What's the book for?
After being released, Nick goes to Mosul to meet his former uncle in law, to help him set up an email account. Gee, nobody in Mosul understands email? Hmmmm? Was this rather specialized email instruction? He had to travel to Mosul to do this?
Why do you need to meet someone face to face in this day and age to set up an email account? A plausible explanation is that it is to teach new clandestine comm. techniques. You can't send an email explaining a new code or method, it can be intercepted. You must do this in person.
Why else to make face to face contact? Courier duty? Delivering what? I don't know. I do know that post 9-11, AQ is reluctant to use electronic comms, for fear of interception and location. Instead, they are relying on human couriers, carrying messages, CDs etc.
In Oklahoma, it's an "email coincidence" which later ties Nick to AQ. Then he's traveling all the way to Mosul to help his ex-uncle with email. Nick's a bright young engineer, who presumably is up on the latest uses of WiFi, IM, cell phone and computer tricks. I think this is where he would have great value, not installing spy gear up towers or other schemes.
It's just too damn many coincidences for me to accept at face value that his story was not a cover story. Obviously, a cover story has to be tight, and have some backstopping. But there are still way too many sore thumbs sticking out.
He set up a mobile illegal radio station in front of the FCC offices and used a directional antenna to beam the signal right into the middle of the building.
How have you debunked the odd circumstances surrounding Dylan Wrynn and his connections with International ANSWER in Philly? The answer is, this fact cannot be debunked.
Either Nick Berg had the sorriest run of bad luck in history, or he was living the plot of a Robert Ludlum novel.
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