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To: ken5050; Cyrus the Great
Not all Christian or Jewish communities assimilate in America (and this can be true of families that have been here for generations). Think Orthedox or Amish. They do it for religious reasons as well.

The question may be raised at times though if you are going to immigrate to the US, why come here if not to actually become a part of American society (assimilate)?

(that was a rhetorical question, I don't want a response/lengthy discussion).

I will also say that while I use the term "IslamoNazis" now (in response to the brutallity of radical Muslims) I do not see all muslims as IslamoNazis/Islamofascists. IslamoNazis think that they are followers of Islam. They can also be found in many different nations.

I would like to see a reformation movement within Islam to eridicate Islamofascism. Muslims may be less resistant to change if they realize that fellow muslims also oppose the excesses of radical muslims.

I think that with this change needs to come true religious freedom in muslim nations (freedom to openly practice other faiths whether they be Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddist, wiccan, etc. and freedom to convert to another faith).

A distinction under the law for Mulsims, Christians, Jews, and other faiths must also be eradicated.

I do not believe that it will take killing ever last IslamoNazi to achieve this situtation. In World War II, the Aryan Nazis and the Shinto Japanese pledged to fight to the last man. It did not take that and there is no threat to the rest of the world today. Foreigners can safely travel to those nations even though some fringe brutes may take out vigilante action. The government does not aid or abet those who carry out such action; like this prison abuse "scandal", it is policed and the criminals are brought to justice. The prison scandal was already being investigated by the military when the story broke.

If you are offended by my use of the word "Nazi" combined with Islam (as in IslamoNazis) I am sorry but I explained my usage above. There were too many invocations of Allah and muslims in the 5 minute speech on the Nick Berg video for me not to label these terrorists as warriors in a holy war. As I've said above, I don't see all muslims as being on their side but the IslamoNazis believe themselves to be muslims. The sooner the world eradicates Islamofascism, the sooner we can put such terms behind us.

172 posted on 05/12/2004 2:20:46 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: weegee
You brought up a VERY good point. There's only so long you can resist change while living in a technological society. Sooner or later, more and more reach the break point.

The Amish are now struggling between their insularism and the human need to grow and change. While still numerous, they're dwindling. And not all of those who stay are meant to be Amish. One day, I'll tell you about Melvin.

Mennonites were early attempts at "growth" for lack of a better word. It's a bad analogy, because now the Mennonite Church is part of the WCC. Hubby's uncle, a deacon, has even been to Cuba to hug the bloody dictator. Bully for him. However, they still retain that complacent, I'm-better-than-everyone-because-I-know-the-REAL-truth aspect of Amishness and it's magnified due to their re-EURO-ification...an attitude I find disgusting.

Islam does need to grow, abolish pan Arabism and allow the people of various countries to find their own cultural identity. The Wahabists fight against that.

191 posted on 05/12/2004 2:44:00 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: weegee
enjoyed your comments..again, like you, I don't want to enter into a lenghty discussion of assimilation now, though it might be a fun subject for a separate thread....I raised the question from two points..first, the radicals in are midst more than likely come from isolated, segregated, old-world style enclaves...There are neighborhoods in NYC where you cannot find a storefront in English...and as a kid in the 50's learning in what was then called "social Studies" about immigration, the "melting pot" and "assimiliation"..it's remarkable how these concepts have vanished completely..
359 posted on 05/13/2004 7:03:02 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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