LIVE DISCUSSION THREAD..Gen Taguba testifying before Senate committee..C-span 1 and Fox

[ken5050]

Comments...and your opinion..Which Dem wull say the dumbest thing today?

[cyncooper]

the abuses were not policy, they did not even go to battalion or brigade level. This has to be a dagger in the heart of those who would force Rumsfeld's resignation.

You betcha.

Oh, Allard asks why anyone taking pictures in this facility?

Smith: Taking pictures of prisoners is against the rules, especially with personal cameras.

Smith and Taguba say these were the personal cameras of these MPs. Allard points out this had nothing to do with the handling of the prisoners. Smith and Taguba say as far as they know this was entirely these people taking pics on their own.

Now--we all know the soldiers have claimed they took them under orders. Then we started hearing that intelligence used these pictures to show other prisoners the pictures to get them to cooperate. That is false. These were purely done by these persons on their own, against the rules.

[TomGuy]

All photos (and video) were taken with private cameras? So what command level had direct responsibility for allowing individuals to take pics?

Karpinski didn't seem to have much disciplinary control over those under her command.

[Judith Anne]

Inhofe was OUTSTANDING!!!!

Back later, taking Tinker the Wonder Puppy to the vet for his checkup. ;-D

[Carolinamom]

Not only do some of us recognize their voices, sight unseen, but in most cases, we already know what they're going to say!

[Bahbah]

"Taguba says cameras used were personal cameras of those that took the photos."

No, no, Levin is sure there is a purchase order out there for dogs, collars and cameras signed personally by Rummy. Otherwise they could never have gotten their hands on such exotic objects.

[Helms]

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[Howlin]

No, they did not; only those named and a few more; he said that they sent them mostly to Democrats because they would "be more sympathetic."

Har.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

CSPAN 1 gets the names up better than Fox ( and other channels ) and there's less background noise. This goes for almost every speech.

[cyncooper]

According to the Washington Post the Taguba Report was leaked to NPR. Now the photos weren't leaked. Those came out through other channels.

And from what we're hearing, the report was then spun wildly away from its contents. The pictures certainly were leaked--though evidently separately.

[Peach]

Judith Anne meet Pukin Dog.

Pukin Dog - Judith Anne has taken over as chief optimist on FR in your absence.

Thank you both!

[mombonn]

Did you see his chin sink into his chest?

LOL - I did - it was great! His snake eyes were unblinking.

[YaYa123]

I think it's a very important point that the cameras used to photograph the prison abuse were privately owned cameras, not military issue.

That plays havoc with the mainline defense of the 7 accused soldiers that they were following orders of contractors and interrogators.

[MamaLucci]

Is Hillary! even there today?

[Humal]

"we already know what they're going to say!"

LOL! ....and that's why we hit the "mute" button as soon as their face appears. ;-)

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

Now part of the Congressional Record.

[Howlin]

Have you EVER seen anything that despicable?

[maica]

Same for the MI General, who is also female.

WoW! I did not know this! I guess they were both to timid to venture out of the Green Zone.

[OXENinFLA]

Is Hillary! even there today?

I just have sound.

But I can't believe she'd miss this inquisition. .

[Pukin Dog]

It is going no higher than Karpinski, and the Senators know that, which is why they are grasping to get Gen. Sanchez or Paul Bremmer implicated. They don't want the face of a Clintonite Female General on this scandal.

It's too late, they blew it, and Karpinski is the poster-lesbian for this event.