LIVE DISCUSSION THREAD..Gen Taguba testifying before Senate committee..C-span 1 and Fox

[ken5050]

Comments...and your opinion..Which Dem wull say the dumbest thing today?

[texasbluebell]

I gather Hillary doesn't have any files on Inhofe

He seems like the kind of person who has such a great sense of justice and honor, that he would never have done anything bad enough to warrant being blackmailed by the likes of the toons.

[fight_truth_decay]

INOFE !!!THIS IS WHAT BUSH SHOULD BE SAYING!!INOFE IS NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT LIKE IT REALLY IS..THESE ARE THE PICTURES OF THOSE 4 TORTURED AND REMEMBER....IRAQI SOFT TORTURE!!!(WARINING: pictures are hideous!)

ISLAMIC JOY !!! http://federalist.com/news/islamicjoy.asp

"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' ... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams

[Wild Irish Rogue]

" Many of these prisoners have the blood of US soldiers on their hands "

Words fail me in describing Sen Inhofe's remarks.
I am so stunned that a member of the Senate has finally put everything into perspective and described exactly who these terrorists are and compared their treatment with those of Saddam Hussein.
Inhofe was spectacular ! Finally a patriot and an adult on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Inhofe wants pictures of Hussein executing children, the pictures of Iraqi prisoners with their tongues cut out, ears cut off, etc and pictures of mass graves released one on one, with each picture of a naked Iraqi with a Victoris's Secret panty on his head.
Every word of Inhofe's remarks should be read verbatim by every conservative radio and tv host to illustrate the definition of gravitas.

[pookie18]

'Embittered' Gen. Taguba Had Grudge Against Army, Rumsfeld

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133345/posts

[Bahbah]

OMG, Byrd thinks maybe he can get Bremer and reach the Prez that way.

[Howlin]

I was referred to this article by a person on the Judicary Committee and told that the Kate O’Beirne article referenced was exactly on point.


Kate's Take: Congressional Abuse
National Review Online ^ | May 07, 2004 | Kate O'Beirne


Posted on 05/07/2004 1:03:22 PM EDT by xsysmgr



The most recent images of abuse concerning Iraqi detainees will inevitably fuel the anti-Americanism that endangers American lives — not at the hands of sadistic young misfits but at the hands of our elected representatives. Members of Congress elbowing their way into camera range to question, in the absence of any evidence whatsoever, whether abuses were widespread and senior commanders were implicated and accusing the military of engaging in some cover-up are abusing the Abu Ghraib scandal and recklessly putting our troops at risk. Liberal Democrats are predictably far happier wallowing in the depravity of a handful of American troops in the service of a misbegotten mission than they are celebrating the self-sacrifice, courage, and restraint of the tens of thousands. Republicans are redundantly declaring their disgust, their disappointment, and their dismay because there is a big story going on and they can't stand not being part of it. Just this once, could this destructive development not have been about them? The public's revulsion is clear and their president has clearly expressed it.

For many politicians, the danger posed to our troops by the photos that fuel a murderous hatred pales in comparison to the offense to their self-importance by the Pentagon's alleged failure to inform them of the allegations and investigation. The January 16 CENTCOM press release announcing the alleged offenses and investigation was apparently insufficient. And Brig. Gen Mark Kimmitt's March 20 announcement that criminal charges were being brought against six soldiers arising from an investigation that found evidence of "dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, assault and indecent acts with another" kept members of Congress in the dark. In the future, military press releases and announcements should probably be accompanied by personal phone calls to Senators John Warner and Joe Biden and to Congressmen Martin Frost and Christopher Shays. Other congressmen likewise concerned about missing a media opportunity could sign up for a special call list. They need not be bothered unless pictures are involved.


On Thursday, the Republican leadership in the House, who never got around to condemning the savage videotaped execution of Daniel Pearl, hosted an orgy of repentance culminating in the overwhelming approval of a redundant resolution condemning "the abuse of persons in U.S. custody." It presented a wonderful opportunity for Democrats to rail against the war while darkly suggesting that the abuse might not be so isolated. The repeated Democratic calls for Don Rumsfeld to resign helps make the American haters' case for them by attributing the abuse to the malevolence of the most senior leadership of our armed forces. There were calls from both sides for investigations, although there are about a dozen underway. Over 700 hundred Americans have died in the cause of liberating Iraq, but there were redundant expressions of support for the Iraqi people.


Who was the intended audience for this orgy of recriminations and remorse? Left-wing critics of the Iraq war are no doubt delighted to finally see evidence of the atrocities they falsely accused a previous generation of soldiers of committing. The American public has already witnessed the president making an unprecedented appearance before foreign media to express our disgust and resolve to see justice done. Do you suppose there is a single prisoner being held by any of the countries in the president's listening audience in the Middle East who wouldn't eagerly switch places with a detainee in the custody of the American military?


In their much-vaunted oversight role, Congress failed to detect almost every recent development, from al Qaeda's domestic threat to the crippling structural problems in our intelligence agencies, corrupt corporate accounting, and the vulnerabilities in our electricity grids. Little wonder that these all escaped Congress's notice when press releases are ignored by the public's watchdogs.

[ken5050]

Note how more and moe the dems are climbing out on the anti-military, anti-war limb..

[mtbopfuyn]

I will take responsibility for the bad as well as the good

When has he ever taken responsibility for anything?

[Peach]

That's right; I'd forgotten that!

I wrote Inhofe a few weeks ago and am disappointed I didn't hear back from him.

[Peach]

US led forces are handing over Saddam Hussein to Iraqis before June 30th. FNC news alert.

[TomGuy]

FoxNews Alert:

Saddam to be handed over to Iraqi control before xfer of power June 30.

[kcvl]

No, they all received letters.

[babaloo]

Bremer is not a very good target for the Dems.

[Humal]

"I don't think that's accurate. "

Good, thank you. Best news of the day.

[Bahbah]

Man, you are quick.

[YaYa123]

IT'S COMIC RELIEF TIME = SENATOR BYRD

Taguba says we find there's no evidence these abuses came from policy...there was no order, written or otherwise, for these soldiers to commit these abuses.

Taguba says, the training of Geneva Convention standards is inherent, from lowest ranks up to my own rank. He mentions other prisons were adherring to Geneva standards.

Byrd is desperate to get one of those testifying to say there was an administrative failure from on high. It ain't happening for him. Taguba re-iterates it was low level abuse. haha!

Byrd going after Brehmer now. "Shouldn't he have known what was going on in the prison?" Now that's desperation!!

[mombonn]

Fox now reporting Saddam and friends will be handed over to Iraqis prior to June 30.

[Howlin]

By the way Uday, Qusay and Saddam all signed the petition to remove Rummy and can be reached at Uday@Hell.Org etc, etc.

So I heard. :-)

[mtbopfuyn]

Before the sound went out FOX just said SH will be turned over to Iraqi officials before June 30th. What else was said?

[Peach]

Be back later...