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WHY IRAQ IS BECOMING VIETNAM
Ediblog ^ | May 10, 2004 | Patrick Rooney

Posted on 05/10/2004 11:02:06 PM PDT by abigail2

Why Iraq Is Becoming Vietnam

Liberals have long dreamed of turning our occupation of Iraq into another Vietnam, a scar on the face of America that they could revel in. I believe in many ways, they are succeeding.

Their latest victory is their success in turning incidents of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib prison into an indictment of American foreign policy and the President. Our Defense Secretary was dragged before a motley group of Senatorial inquisitors, many of whom don’t have the moral standing to tie his shoe, much less interrogate him.

The “scandal” is the Mai Lai massacre to this generation of liberals, and it reaches them like manna from heaven. They are hoping it is the turning point that allows them to toss dirt onto our Iraqi operation. It follows close on the heels of the Fallujah debacle, where America flinched instead of laying down the boot on crazy cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his band of fanatical thugs.

America essentially let human scum get away with murdering our countrymen and desecrating their bodies on worldwide TV. Everyone knew the appropriate response would be to cordon off the city, allow the innocent to escape, and liquidate the terrorists. But we didn’t have the will to follow through, fearing the world would view too many civilian casualties on TV.

The failure cannot be blamed on liberals. After all, they’re not failing—they’re succeeding. It is the decent people of America who are suffering the failure of will. Our president is guilty of the same.

President George W. Bush has proven himself to be a very capable war president, but an uneven president in non-war matters. The reason is that he correctly perceived a need in war to do whatever it took to prevail. But once the hot war was finished in Iraq, he began to filter his decisions through the prism of political consideration. That is a recipe for failure.

When will we learn, I wonder. Vietnam was a humiliating defeat. Not because it was an immoral war, as liberals like to say, but because we failed to let the troops win due to political considerations. Iraq is no different. The Marines could have subdued Fallujah in days, if not hours, if they were given a free hand.

What has all of this political consideration gotten for Mr. Bush and for America? We are so worried about the “Arab street” and what they will think about everything. To hell with the Arab street! The Arab street are the same people who cheered on 9-11.

It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that America is a decent nation, and that terrorists are evil. When wrongdoing is found on our side, it is an anomaly. With terrorists it is their modus operandi. Yet CNN and their ilk continue to produce pieces spotlighting America’s errors in war, and not the daily routine of our bloodthirsty enemies.

President Bush had it right when he long ago called Iraq, Iran, and North Korea the “axis of evil.” We would have done well to quickly move as needed against these enemies. But indecision, weakness, and lack of preparation have caused the Iraq campaign to languish. Its overall slowness is killing whatever support and goodwill the administration may have had for future campaigns.

On September 11th, 2001, fanatical terrorists made clear that they had declared war on us. This would be a war of annihilation—either theirs or ours—there was no third solution.

Currently we have the world’s terrorists right where we want them—coming to us in Iraq. Would we prefer they come back to New York City. Or perhaps Los Angeles, or Chicago?

Are we naïve enough to think that if we walk away from Iraq, we won’t be followed home? That the world’s terrorists won’t correctly gather that we are running away with our tail between our legs? Look what happened when we left Vietnam—mass graves and lost prestige.

Lack of will was our true enemy in Vietnam. We must exorcize this demon, or we will be condemned to repeat history.

©2004 Patrick Rooney

Patrick Rooney is the Director of Special Projects at BOND, the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny, a nonprofit organization dedicated to “Rebuilding the Family By Rebuilding the Man.”

For more information, please visit www.bondinfo.org, call 1-800-411-BOND (2663), or write to patrick@bondinfo.org.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abughraib; bush; desperatedems; fallujah; iraqipow; liberals; mailai; muqtadaalsadr; rumsfeld; rumsfield; vietnam
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To: abigail2
BTT
21 posted on 05/10/2004 11:48:46 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: abigail2
To hell with the Arab street! The Arab street are the same people who cheered on 9-11.
Nuke the Arab street.

22 posted on 05/10/2004 11:48:48 PM PDT by sixmil
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To: Liberty Valance; isthisnickcool; Esther Ruth; 45Auto; rpgdfmx; jordan8; goodnesswins; Trinity_Tx; ..
When will we learn, I wonder. Vietnam was a humiliating defeat. Not because it was an immoral war, as liberals like to say, but because we failed to let the troops win due to political considerations. Iraq is no different. The Marines could have subdued Fallujah in days, if not hours, if they were given a free hand.

We should be the same way with traitors within the nation.

23 posted on 05/10/2004 11:49:11 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2
The real reason people keep saying Iraq has become Vietnam is because THE MEDIA WANTS US TO FAIL .. We are not going to fail. Regardless of what the media says, we are not going to fail.
24 posted on 05/10/2004 11:49:38 PM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: TheLion
LOL!
25 posted on 05/10/2004 11:50:12 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: sixmil
"Arab street"?!?
26 posted on 05/10/2004 11:50:52 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: CyberAnt
We can't fail!
27 posted on 05/10/2004 11:51:36 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: Happy2BMe
Thank you.
28 posted on 05/10/2004 11:52:12 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: TheLion
Democrats

LOL! There's a difference?

29 posted on 05/10/2004 11:55:37 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Time is just nature's way to keep everything from happening at once.)
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To: sixmil; TheLion; abigail2
09/11/01
Palestinians Dance In The Streets,
Hand Out Candy To Their Children,
And Rejoice Over the WTC Attacks

Muslims celebrating on Sept 11,2001, when they heard the news of the WTC collapsing.

Palestinians Celebrate Islamic Attacks on WTC

Palestinian children in eastern Jerusalem celebrating news of the terror attacks in the United States.

Palestinians Party on 9/11

Claim That Media Used Fake Images Proven FALSE

(Imagine If That Would Have Been Your Brother)

Muslim Youth to Launch Martyrdom Operations Against the U.S.

Hey You, Infidel!
A young Muslim man, who refused to give his name, shows his feelings toward the media outside the Federal Court House in Buffalo, New York September 18, 2002 where he sat to show his support for the six local suspected al-Qaida supporters who appeared inside the court, September 18, 2002. The six men have been charged with providing material support to al Queda from nearby Lackwanna, New York.



30 posted on 05/10/2004 11:57:44 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: abigail2
Liberals have long dreamed of turning our occupation of Iraq into another Vietnam, a scar on the face of America that they could revel in. I believe in many ways, they are succeeding.

Eugene McCarthy said -- just prior to his 1968 presidential campaign -- that the war (in Vietnam) would not become unpopular on the grass roots level until the body bags starting coming home in massive numbers to small midwestern towns of 5,000 or less.

He was right. It didn't. And the same holds true for Iraq. This could be one reason we won't see more boots on the ground, or a draft for that matter.

The more troops in-country, the greater the casualty lists. And if we go back to a selective service system -- and start throwing these sniveling, whiney, four-eyed, liberal deadbeats out of the universities and into the Army -- you'll see the kind of massive demonstrations we saw during Vietnam. Until that happens, don't expect to see a return to the days of rage.

Cowards only throw a s**tstorm when it's their own @sses on the line.

31 posted on 05/10/2004 11:59:38 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: abigail2
Their latest victory is their success in turning incidents of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib prison into an indictment of American foreign policy and the President. Our Defense Secretary was dragged before a motley group of Senatorial inquisitors, many of whom don’t have the moral standing to tie his shoe, much less interrogate him.

Well said.

Sometimes the truth hurts some, however I have no sympathy for these politically deceitful, anti-American, I.Q. challenged, "daddy's boys and girls", who's greatest challenge in life is to earn the respect of the people they represent, and their greatest personal gratification is created by how much money and power they can soak out the people of our great country,...I had better stop while there is bandwidth left, however you get the gist of it.

Rummy holds much to be desired by them in his little finger!

32 posted on 05/11/2004 12:00:12 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: nuconvert
PING!
33 posted on 05/11/2004 12:03:35 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: abigail2
A fantasy piece based entirely on speculation, with no substantial point whatever. To pick it apart is like shooting fish in a barrel.

The failure cannot be blamed on liberals. After all, they’re not failing—they’re succeeding. It is the decent people of America who are suffering the failure of will.

The implication that "liberals" and "decent people" are mutually exclusive categories demonstrates the moral compass of a six-year-old. Obviously, many liberals are decent people, much as many conservatives are. Are you suggesting that "America is a decent nation," with the exception of the approx. 50% of its population that votes Democrat?

Are we naïve enough to think that if we walk away from Iraq, we won’t be followed home?

That's the problem when you start a war without a clearly-defined objective. It becomes a prism that allows you to see in it the justifications you want to see. Do you think halting the insurgency in Iraq will make a dent in global terrorism? If anything, the continuing occupation increases a sense of hatred against Americans. Whether we "walk away" or not (the eventual outcome is likely a bit more complex), terrorism continues to be a threat.

34 posted on 05/11/2004 12:04:52 AM PDT by ggordon22
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To: abigail2
I keep having this recurring thought: that we should pull out, see what happens and then go back in.

The Iraqis need to see what will happen. Either way, we have the advantage . We could leave them to their own devices, cruel as it may seem. I'm glad the president is sticking with his date. He does seem to be a man of his word.

35 posted on 05/11/2004 12:05:11 AM PDT by Dec31,1999 (Capital punishment saves lives.)
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To: Happy2BMe
THanks for all that...that guy in the yellow has learned the universal language I thought only Democrats knew.
36 posted on 05/11/2004 12:05:58 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: Happy2BMe
Oh God! That one picture of the burned body...why aren't we showing those all over the place? As if I didn't know.
37 posted on 05/11/2004 12:07:27 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: GOPyouth
"If there are other ways of doing this without smoking the place, we should try that."

Yup.

The neutron bomb wipes out people but doesn't destroy buidings. 'Course, you'd have to get your own troops to pull back far enough, and that might raise suspicions. Anyway, at this point, nukes are purely in the realm of speculation.
38 posted on 05/11/2004 12:08:05 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Happy2BMe
Tell me the guy in yellow, giving us the finger, was deported and not running around New York somewhere!
39 posted on 05/11/2004 12:08:41 AM PDT by TheLion
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To: Happy2BMe
Thanks for the reminder. For those out there that think we can build a democracy in Iraq just like we did in Germany and Japan, I must remind you that we firebombed Germany and Japan, and even further softened up the Japs with a couple nukes. Here is a picture of post-war Cologne, nothing but the cathedral left standing:


40 posted on 05/11/2004 12:09:55 AM PDT by sixmil (fighting the open borders/tariff-free trade/in-n-outsourcing/invasion light cartel)
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