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Limbaugh's school of hard knocks for other guys
Palm Beach Post ^
| Sunday, May 9, 2004
| Frank Cerabino
Posted on 05/08/2004 9:01:04 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Torie
The brass is in big trouble.What's your guess as to how big? Rumsfeld forced to resign?
Here's what troubles me. Obviously the abuses were heinous, and inexcusable. But at the same time, are we going to make the mistake of the '70's by overreacting and placing too many restraints on intelligence gathering? There are acceptable ways of 'softening up' that don't involve the inexcusable physical violations of rape, beatings, forced mastubation, etc., such as sleep deprivation, mind games, etc. One fear I have is that we will throw the baby out with the bathwater and restrict those legitimate interrogation tools, too. I am already seeing that in much of the media portrayals, how they successfully intertwine simple humiliation with serious abuses in their recitation of the harmful acts.
And bottom line, these are serious and deadly times. How far is too far if the information retrieves stops terror attacks, which are moving closer and closer to acts of mammoth scale? That is not a defense of what happened, nor of Rush's foolish carelessness, nor of the barbarian 'nuke 'em now, apologize later' mindset, nor of any type of physical brutality. But the stakes now do rise to the level where interrogators must push to near the limit, without crossing the fine line.
To: GreatOne
He was referring to the current pictures out there which are of sexual humiliation, not torture.
Taking an eye out with a spoon, dismemberment or cassettes of Hillary reading her book would be real torture.
Now what might be coming could be bad stuff though.
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:30:31 PM PDT
by
A CA Guy
(God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: woofie
Rush is modern day Mark Twain, eh? LOL. Comparing Rush to Faulkner simply blows my synapses out. Next, you will be comparing him to James Joyce. Rogers had a folksy humility that escapes Rush. He did not pretend to be what he was not. I think you stuck out with your analogies. JMO.
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:32:19 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: holdonnow
*I guess the 21 million who listen to him are just stupid, and you're smarter than the rest of us. The Palm Beach Post defended Clinton and his crimes, they love Kennedy despite his Oldsmobile accident ... I detest you libs*
Well-said and exactly right. It's threads like this that really bring out not only the DUmmy trolls (I see one's already been spotted and zotted), but also their thinly-veiled sympathizers.
And my message to them is: Don't like Rush? Fine. Don't like the general theme of his broadcasts? Fine also. Just don't try to pretend like you're any kind of a "conservative" while making those feelings plain.
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:32:48 PM PDT
by
A Jovial Cad
("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
To: holdonnow
Happy you are out and about...give em hell
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:32:49 PM PDT
by
woofie
( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
To: quidnunc
Rush is dead-wrong, the majority of Iraqis are Arabs. Why aren't all Iraqis Arabs? This is a serious question. How is it that some Iraqis are not Arabs?
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:33:06 PM PDT
by
Texas Eagle
(If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
To: GreatOne
"I can understand 'softening them up' for interrogation, but making these prisoners strip and then stacking them up, with these military personnel posing like idiots is way, way, way, over the line. These are the type of statements that Rush has been able to avoid making over his years, because they do damage to his credibility at being simply an administration shill, instead of a conservative commentator."I for one am amazed this story has the legs it does -- it IS a freakin' war afterall with over 200,000 American troops working 24/7 for over a year. Were there going to be a few unpleasant anomalies? Yeah. Am I upset a few murderous Iraqi prisoners were "abused"? Not really...
As to Rush, he's been running on 12 cylinders and dissecting, disseminating and analyzing world and national ussues from soup-to-nuts, and yet you demand a Grand Slam at every single at bat? Gimme a break.
The guy's a conservative warrior -- plain and simple.
Without Limbaugh, the GOP folds like a cheap camera, and with it -- conservatism.
To: John Lenin
John Lenin wrote:
Rush is no intellectual ? I don't think you ever listen to him he has an incredible knack for seeing through BS and than putting it in simple terms that even idiots can understand. I doubt you could stay in he same room with him.I prevoiusly stipulated that Rush was a masterful communicator, I just said that he's not as smart as he would have us believe.
As for me, I'm perceptive enough to recognize that he passing off Rex Stout's words as his own, and smart enough to know that most Iraqis are Arabs (See Reply #31 above).
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:33:51 PM PDT
by
quidnunc
(Omnis Gaul delenda est)
To: new cruelty
Mark Levin responds to Palm Beach Post communist, I mean columnist:
Congrats!!! That was some column ... drawing an analogy between Krischer's treatment of Rush and the treatment of the Iraqi prisoners. I mean, connecting two completely different events into a single moral lesson ... that's the true sign of a great literary mind.
Let me give it a try, if I might. John Kerry has called for Donald Rumsfeld's resignation because -- as best I can tell -- of his failure to inform Congress about the prison abuses in a timely manner. And yet, Kerry himself has insisted that he committed atrocities while in Vietnam, of a nature far worse than any prison guard in Iraq. I suppose I could write one hell of a column about that.
Or maybe I could write a piece about Ted Kennedy, leading the anti-war charge these days, and among the loudest critics during last week's Senate hearings. Oh, what a target of opportunity -- Kennedy's multiple run-ins with the law, on one occasion resulting in the death of a young lady, juxtaposed with his stated concern for the well-being of Iraqi prisoners. God, how much fun I could have with that.
Then there's Robert Byrd, the former KKK happy warrior, lecturing Rumsfeld about proper human behavior and senatorial etiquette. Oh, what fun you could have.
Feel free to use any of these examples in your next literary masterpiece. Otherwise, some people might mistaken you for a partisan hack with a pen.
To: Torie
No W is the new James Joyce ...nothing better than "misunderestimate"
Glad you are so smart...are ya rich?
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:35:05 PM PDT
by
woofie
( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
To: Diddle E. Squat
Tough interrogation needs to be vetted at the highest levels. It is not something to be done with a wink. What we saw was not tough interrogation, it was sadism by amateurs. Those who should be bounced, are those who were warned, and chose not to investigate. I don't think that includes Rumsfeld, in fact I am quite confident it does not. Just how far up the food chain it goes, remains to be seen. Who did Kay warn? We will soon know.
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:35:25 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: Torie
So far tonight, you're not impressing anyone with your own IQ, my friend.
To: Texas Eagle
Texas Eagle wrote:
(Rush is dead-wrong, the majority of Iraqis are Arabs.) Why aren't all Iraqis Arabs? This is a serious question. How is it that some Iraqis are not Arabs?I think that Kurds may not be Arabs, though I don't insist on it.
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:36:03 PM PDT
by
quidnunc
(Omnis Gaul delenda est)
To: Torie
"Is Bill Buckley still alive? He has been an animated cadaver for about 20 years now."Heh...
Guess he makes Rush seem like the life of the party, eh?
Then who's NOT a "boring" political commentator in your estimation?
To: new cruelty
I have to question anyone thats posts something from the paper that is out to get Rush. Rush may be the smartest man alive. Why is it that the loonies have to question a mans intellect when they can't beat um lie about him.
To: new cruelty
I agree with President Bush who said that this was disgusting. However, it does not compare with what Iraqi military did to our military personnel, like Jessica Lynch.
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:38:49 PM PDT
by
Sun
(Slavery was justifed by claiming the victims were not people; abortion is justified that way today.)
To: Pukin Dog
Who asked you?
Pardon my French, but what a stupid comment. Who asked YOU to post on this thread? Freerepublic is about the exchange of ideas (from a groundwork of some shared conservative assumptions). In that sense, we've all been "asked" to voice opinions. "Who asked you?" may be the most inappropriate (not to say childish) comment I've ever read on this forum.
To: quidnunc
Okay, I can see Kurds not being Arabs. I think they are Turks. But I could be wrong about that.
But I still don't know what characteristics or traits or whatever other qualifications are necessary in order for one to call one an Arab.
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:39:51 PM PDT
by
Texas Eagle
(If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
To: holdonnow
I had a "smart" liberal once tell me that Twain was a racist because he used the "n" word....Your reasoning ability is in the same category
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posted on
05/08/2004 9:39:59 PM PDT
by
woofie
( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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