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To: Torie
The brass is in big trouble.

What's your guess as to how big? Rumsfeld forced to resign?

Here's what troubles me. Obviously the abuses were heinous, and inexcusable. But at the same time, are we going to make the mistake of the '70's by overreacting and placing too many restraints on intelligence gathering? There are acceptable ways of 'softening up' that don't involve the inexcusable physical violations of rape, beatings, forced mastubation, etc., such as sleep deprivation, mind games, etc. One fear I have is that we will throw the baby out with the bathwater and restrict those legitimate interrogation tools, too. I am already seeing that in much of the media portrayals, how they successfully intertwine simple humiliation with serious abuses in their recitation of the harmful acts.

And bottom line, these are serious and deadly times. How far is too far if the information retrieves stops terror attacks, which are moving closer and closer to acts of mammoth scale? That is not a defense of what happened, nor of Rush's foolish carelessness, nor of the barbarian 'nuke 'em now, apologize later' mindset, nor of any type of physical brutality. But the stakes now do rise to the level where interrogators must push to near the limit, without crossing the fine line.

41 posted on 05/08/2004 9:30:26 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Tough interrogation needs to be vetted at the highest levels. It is not something to be done with a wink. What we saw was not tough interrogation, it was sadism by amateurs. Those who should be bounced, are those who were warned, and chose not to investigate. I don't think that includes Rumsfeld, in fact I am quite confident it does not. Just how far up the food chain it goes, remains to be seen. Who did Kay warn? We will soon know.
52 posted on 05/08/2004 9:35:25 PM PDT by Torie
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