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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


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To: Texasforever
"I cannot for a moment believe that if they were actual combatants they wouold have been so docile as they appear to be."

To be truthful, this kind of humiliation has been used for years in both interrogations and to make prisoners more docile. Publicly stripping a person and ridicule them is a very quick way to humiliate someone.

When you consider that most of these prisoners were part of Saddam's best, and their ideals of manhood, this is probably nothing short of non-physical castration to most of them. Not only have they been humiliated, they've been humiliated by women, western women.

It really isn't that dissimilar to what we all went through in boot camp. We were all humiliated; personally and in groups. And we complied with the demands of those humiliating us.

81 posted on 05/07/2004 11:36:58 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: MJY1288
End how? They can't do anything to him.
82 posted on 05/07/2004 11:37:12 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"..Sergeant Frederick works as a civilian as a correctional officer in Virginia, neither he nor his father believes he was adequately trained by the military to handle prisoners of war..."

A 37-year old state corrections officer would certainly have the training and experience to be sadistic and turn a blind eye to abuse and even torture. Perhaps they meant the military didn't spend enough time teaching him to be humane? Too many prisons here are America's worst shame, too much dirty politics, abuse, and look-the-other-way tactics, fuel in no small part by a patchwork of liberal restrictions that give prisoners too much power and protection from accountability which they then use to subject guards to all kinds of rot and filth.

Not trying to indict all prison guards, but they certainly have more than their share of bad apples.

83 posted on 05/07/2004 11:38:19 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: CWOJackson
and will erode morale, until one of the services decides to make a full and complete example of one of them.

Next thing we will here is that these guys are "whistle blowers".

84 posted on 05/07/2004 11:38:38 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: nopardons
And from here on out, ALL manner of cameras should be confiscated.

Cameras are used routinely in prisons on inmates for ID documentation purposes, among other things. They are also used in the field for many useful purposes, in war and civilian environments. Keeping them in the right hands is another thing.

85 posted on 05/07/2004 11:39:09 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: cyborg
You know what her attorney said tonight? That she joined the Guard for "a career path, to get money for college."
86 posted on 05/07/2004 11:39:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Fledermaus
No.........I'm still here;occasionally. :-)

Women do NOT belong on the front lines,anywhere near prisoners,and NO ONE should have been allowed into Iraq or Afghanistan with a camera of ANY kind!

87 posted on 05/07/2004 11:39:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"..Sergeant Frederick works as a civilian as a correctional officer in Virginia, neither he nor his father believes he was adequately trained by the military to handle prisoners of war..."

I have wondered about this! So....this is acceptable behavior for a corrections officer??? Not adequately trained???

88 posted on 05/07/2004 11:40:14 PM PDT by Watery Tart (Al Franken: “Clinton’s military did pretty well in Iraq, huh?” April 27, 2003)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bump to the links, x.
89 posted on 05/07/2004 11:40:19 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: All
I wonder what Hannity will say about his buddy Col. David "Phlegm" Hackworth(less)?
90 posted on 05/07/2004 11:40:32 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: All
Funny how the Dems weren't this hacked off when Clinton spent his last 4 years in office with his pants down.

I wonder what they'd have done if there were pictures.

I'm disappointed in both the right and the left on this issue that thinks this was "bad". Who are we kidding? A woman laughing at the short comings of an enemy combatant wearing a hood while naked and she dangling a cigarette? That's "abuse"? I thought these Arabs were TOUGH and would do ANYTHING to kill the infidels.

If I knew all it took was having women smoking a cigarette to humilate them while laughing at their small peters, I'd become President on that policy alone. The hearings are garbage, the Bush White House cowing to them is garbage, etc.

I guess we are now fighting a "war on terror" with PC and rules that don't apply to the enemy. I guess Bush and the wimps in Congress are determined, yet again, to play politics with a real war and ignore the facts and the realiites.

It's over. We are on the path to destruction just like the Greeks and Romans. Our own Senate is full of worthless pieces of human scum.

Enjoy the end of the world folks.
91 posted on 05/07/2004 11:40:48 PM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: boxerblues
Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year

I bet you $50 they were ALL on the Armed Services Committee, which, of course, puts the lie to their "We didn't know anything about this at all" crap!

92 posted on 05/07/2004 11:40:50 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Texasforever
I have read today that they were Republican Guard; I read that on here somewhere, but have nothing to back it up.
93 posted on 05/07/2004 11:41:51 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
End how? They can't do anything to him.

Oh yes they can Howlin. If he leaked ANYTHING that was classified he is subject to Courts Martial assuming he is drawing a pension or other military benefit.

94 posted on 05/07/2004 11:42:18 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Howlin
That's really despicable!
95 posted on 05/07/2004 11:42:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin
I meant as far as his credibility as a Military expert for the networks and his ability to become a guest on every Cable News show whenever he is selling a book
96 posted on 05/07/2004 11:43:06 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: lady lawyer
I believe this guy's father is the one who made the snotty remarks about Bush being AWOL.
97 posted on 05/07/2004 11:43:07 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: saquin
Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Hmmm. Too hot for the No Spin Zone to handle.

98 posted on 05/07/2004 11:44:04 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Fledermaus
Hang in there buddy, this could end up being the end of the world for the left
99 posted on 05/07/2004 11:44:19 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: Howlin
Really. Isn't that special. The lawyer does not have history on his/her side with that 'following orders' garbage.
100 posted on 05/07/2004 11:45:08 PM PDT by cyborg
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