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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^
| 5/8/04
| James Dao and Eric Lichtblau
Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin
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To: Texasforever
The MP'S 'fair treatment'???
They should be tried...found guilty...and sent to break rocks at Leavenworth for a LONG time.
me
841
posted on
05/08/2004 8:54:47 PM PDT
by
redrock
("Better a Shack in Heaven....than a Mansion in Hell"---My Grandma)
To: redrock
Yes but that is not Hack's stated reason for publishing the pictures. Don't worry those pictures, no matter the context, will ensure 20 years hard labor but we are talking about Hack. He supposedly did this to "protect" the MPs but he has done everything but that.
842
posted on
05/08/2004 8:57:56 PM PDT
by
Texasforever
(The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
To: MJY1288
That is my fervent hope!
To: GoLightly
The 'perp's' (gotta love that term) will be tried by a Military Court.
It looks at some things a little different than a civilian court....and those pictures being published will NOT keep the 'perp's' from spending a lot of time in Leavenworth.
redrock
844
posted on
05/08/2004 8:58:07 PM PDT
by
redrock
("Better a Shack in Heaven....than a Mansion in Hell"---My Grandma)
To: redrock
We can see (and you know what they say about pictures being worth more than words)..in very graphic detail...what has been carried out in our Name.The beginning of this thread starts at the post that has the numeral 1 in front of it. If you start there by the time you get back here then perhaps you will be up on what is going on.
845
posted on
05/08/2004 8:59:02 PM PDT
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: joyce11111
Just remember, Americans have never appreciated unjustified attacks on their President in a time of War. The left have been attacking George W. Bush since day one as well as undermining everything he has been trying to accomplish for the Nation
846
posted on
05/08/2004 9:04:03 PM PDT
by
MJY1288
(Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
To: Texasforever
Hackworth the traitor,is his past in the military alittle tainted
As I recall no, he was just "career limited" as they say.
It seems to me that years back I heard Rush Limbaugh mentioned that Hackworth was the most decorated man in the U.S. military! Or is that another Col. Hackworth??
847
posted on
05/08/2004 9:04:39 PM PDT
by
danamco
To: TexKat
WOW...the things you learn on FR.
A number 1 you say???
Well I'll be darned....(or something like that).
redrock
848
posted on
05/08/2004 9:07:42 PM PDT
by
redrock
("Better a Shack in Heaven....than a Mansion in Hell"---My Grandma)
To: danamco
No it is the same guy. He is revered by some but his past actions have left him open to a lot of criticism. He is a very bitter man.
849
posted on
05/08/2004 9:11:03 PM PDT
by
Texasforever
(The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
To: TexKat
So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday.He knew whom to turn to:
David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment.
I wonder if the father had the chance do it over again would he of had the brother-in-law go to Hackworthless.
His son is all but tried and convicted now!
850
posted on
05/08/2004 9:11:25 PM PDT
by
Terp
(Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
To: redrock
Yes, I know Military Court does things differently. In some ways their rules are more strict than other courts, as everyone involved has their own career at stake. It's not like you would have your typical jury pool, where a lot of times you wind up with just those too inept to get out of jury duty.
If you heard Rumsfield's testimony before the Senate committee, he himself did not delve into the file, as he did not want to create a situation where "pressure from up above" could be claimed in the defendant's case.
Bottom line, you do not pass active case files around, nor do you publish them, no matter where the case is going to be heard. Anyone who takes that form of action, is trying place a big fat thumb on the scale of justice in some way.
To: redrock
Yes, this nation will survive this unnecessary debacle (the release of the pictures). But what about Maupin??? Are his chances of survival diminished in anyway because of Hackworth's poor judgment? Are our soldiers in more danger? Are the nations chances of success in the ME lessened because of this untimely release? I think the answers are as follows; yes, yes and yes. Just my opinion.
852
posted on
05/08/2004 9:21:06 PM PDT
by
Chgogal
(We vote early and often in Chicago...usually for the wrong person)
To: Terp
I wonder if the father had the chance do it over again would he of had the brother-in-law go to Hackworthless.I know. If this is the same elderly couple I saw interviewed last week, the dad did not look like he was in the greatest of health and did not talk too much, the mother did most of the talking.
853
posted on
05/08/2004 9:23:58 PM PDT
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: redrock
In America the abuse of prisoners is not acceptable,the perps must be punished. In America even the guilty deserve a fair trial.
854
posted on
05/08/2004 9:25:45 PM PDT
by
MEG33
(John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
To: MEG33
...and I hope that they get that 'fair trial'...and then sent to their new home..at Leavenworth.
redrock
855
posted on
05/08/2004 9:27:33 PM PDT
by
redrock
("Better a Shack in Heaven....than a Mansion in Hell"---My Grandma)
To: Chgogal
But what about Maupin??? Thomas Hamill was on Rita Cosby tonight and stated that a couple of days before he escaped the pictures had aired and his capturers started questioning and talking to him about the Abu Ghraib detainees being abused. That is when they started binding him up.
856
posted on
05/08/2004 9:32:42 PM PDT
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: GoLightly; Carl/NewsMax; MeekOneGOP; Mia T; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; Happy2BMe; potlatch; Liz; hope; ..
Make sure you recall all that are here on FR praising the illegal media release of files and evidenciary photos before and Court Martials and/or criminal trials.
Then when the defense attorneys, trial judge(s), and or appeals court(s) throw out much of the prosecution evidence as tainted, inflaming, and/or prejudicial to the defendants and they get limited charging, prosecution, conviction, sentence, or even the ol' OJ verdict toss it back in their smug knowing faces.
Lots of armchair Constitutional and legal procedure experts on this and other threads and in the media and Congress.
Slick taught Constitutional Law in Arkansas but during his impeachment proceedings claimed he was not really a Constitutional scholar.
That was an understatement.
This was a classic defense attorney move using surrogates to unlawfully release evidence wilfilly, knowingly, and maliously without getting his/her butt disbarred.
There is some XHD money and power flowing behind the scenes on this "atrocity scamdal".
Lots of beltway shysters with mega experience in manipulating the system.
The money is not on this, it is on bigger things later.
857
posted on
05/08/2004 9:40:53 PM PDT
by
devolve
(................... ...........................Hello from Sunny South Florida!..................)
To: devolve
I agree completely with your post. And I am taking names, here.
858
posted on
05/08/2004 9:45:35 PM PDT
by
Judith Anne
(HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; devolve
Didn't expect to get the answer to this question so quickly.
To: alnick
860
posted on
05/08/2004 10:17:15 PM PDT
by
Texasforever
(The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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