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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


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KEYWORDS: 2004electionbias; 60minutes; abugerbil; agitprop; bushhaters; cbs; ccrm; crazyivan; dontaskdonttell; hacknut; hackworth; iraq; iraqaftermath; iraqipow; iraqipowphotos; ivanfrederick; jailhouselawyers; loathesthemilitary; media; mediabias; moralrelativism; prisonabuse; propaganda; saddamites; therestofthestory
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To: FreeReign
Sounds like Torin is "a man with a mission".

Oh my, now you've got it. I still want to know was he military or a contractor? That article called him two different things. Regardless, we can see what his mission is. Incredible.

Nelson, who resigned from his job in February, is listed as a witness in the official military report into the abuse scandal at the prison, the Guardian said.

Witness? I wonder if he was witnessing it from behind his camera, after he orchestrated it?

641 posted on 05/08/2004 10:51:57 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane (You've Proved the Point)
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To: Orlando
Who knows, but it's sure a good guess. Something about "too much noise". (I think there is a statement by one of the families about not being Bush followers. I'd also guess that Kapinski or whatever her name is, may be a Dem. Wondering (desperately) if she met with Hillary when Hillary was in Iraq.
642 posted on 05/08/2004 10:52:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: DugwayDuke
The 'fools' in this instance are the perfumed princes and bean counters in the Pentagon. A nation dependent upon a hollow military - one that has numbers on the books which in reality are nothing more than undisciplined and incapable weekend wimps doing time to fulfill their education grants - these are the fools. Congress knows it. The Pentagon knows it. The President should have been advised of it. But the worst part of this bucket of reality is America's enemies are all to aware of this weak link.

High tech will never win a war if the men of the National Guard behind the trigger have only one priority - unlike Ranger Corporal Pat Tillman - 'what's in it for me'.

643 posted on 05/08/2004 10:54:06 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Republic
This is disgraceful. Why not take the photos to MR. RUMSFELD instead of CBS.

Why take them to the very person you are trying to take down?

644 posted on 05/08/2004 10:54:12 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane (You've Proved the Point)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
Nelson was a contractor.
645 posted on 05/08/2004 10:55:03 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: saquin
why the hell were these guys allowed to take pics in the first place? Second, how come the rapes that occur everyday in US prisons aren't held in the same type of 'guffaw' mentality??

Tom Delay had it right...the left in this country is FAR more concerned with winning the election than the war. We are destined to lose this battle. We can only pray for the President, his leaders and our troops.

646 posted on 05/08/2004 10:57:10 AM PDT by Solson (Conservatives are concerned with the'end'; Liberals about the 'means' and the 'particulars.')
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To: Robert Drobot
Hard words, but true.
647 posted on 05/08/2004 10:59:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: World'sGoneInsane
Who are the "POWS" in the pictures? Could they not be POWs?

Then the screws have a ready-made defence to the most serious charges at their courts martial. I'm sure they'll mention it.

Meantime, why are you asking? It only looks like a pathetic attempt of denial on your part.

648 posted on 05/08/2004 11:02:27 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: nmh
If you shoot like you research, I sure as hell wouldn't want you next to me, when the going gets tough. See my Post # 403.
649 posted on 05/08/2004 11:02:43 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: dasboot
Announcer: AHMED, YOU JUST GOT HUMILIATED AND FORCED TO LAY NAKED AMONG YOUR ARAB BROTHERS... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT???

Ahmed: I'M GOING TO DISNEYLAND, BABY!!!!!!!!!!
650 posted on 05/08/2004 11:03:26 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: nopardons
Unlike you, I've read and kept up with this thread from the beginning. My reading comprehension, which HAS been tested(has yours ever been ?)is at 99.9-100%!:-)

Who tested your reading comprehension?

651 posted on 05/08/2004 11:04:03 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: cake_crumb
Because they're gonna get monetary compensation?

Why? and from whom?

652 posted on 05/08/2004 11:04:12 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: TexKat; FreeReign
It's a shame that some of these reservists are going to get caught up in the crossfire on this. I can believe they were ordered and hoodwinked. What's the chances of CBS doing a followup of where and how the pictures came about? (/sarcasm)
653 posted on 05/08/2004 11:06:22 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane (You've Proved the Point)
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To: McGavin999
Believe me, they know, and what Hildabeast said...
and I PRAY that in the upcoming election... their votes will be counted, this time!
654 posted on 05/08/2004 11:06:31 AM PDT by Terridan (God help us send these Islamic Extremist savages back into Hell where they belong...)
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To: EternalVigilance
Iraq is an American National Guard/Reservist wake up call - uniforms with no balls and no gut.
655 posted on 05/08/2004 11:08:40 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
What an appropriate screen name for you.
656 posted on 05/08/2004 11:09:33 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane (You've Proved the Point)
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To: FreeReign
Thanks. I just saw and read that.

It was a caller into C-Span Washington Journal that was complaining about the decision to hire contractors to do interrogation work, but the callers complaint was that these people are not properly screened and could possibly belong to a terrorist group.

657 posted on 05/08/2004 11:09:54 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: tpaine; McGavin999; Texasforever; nopardons
TPAINE WROTE:

"The leaders...who lost control of MI
procedures will pay the [political] price.
Why the big deal?" (brackets mine)

Why indeed???????

No big deal if Leftists- who will totally
sell us out to the world & terrorism, N.
Korea, Iran, France, the U.N., Kyoto etc-
get into power??

Over this? Or anything else?

Price-of-tomatoes kinda stuff, eh?

How revealing of your, uh, mindset.
658 posted on 05/08/2004 11:10:01 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Robert Drobot
The fire always tests the metal.
659 posted on 05/08/2004 11:10:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Quix
Your reply should have been addressed to McGavin999, not me. The quote you attributed to me was actually his comment from a previous posting on the same thread.
660 posted on 05/08/2004 11:11:04 AM PDT by mass55th
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