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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


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To: churchillbuff
I see you are here again for the fun.
101 posted on 05/07/2004 11:45:36 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Texasforever
He is retired, so yes, he could be Courts Martialed, HOWEVER, in order to do so he would need to be recalled to active duty. Being retired, they can even recall him involuntarily.

The problem there is he, and his willing associates in the press, would turn this into a media circus.

102 posted on 05/07/2004 11:45:58 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: BykrBayb
With no women to distract them, that's moot. Why do you think the ONLY military organization that doesn't allow fraternization of men and women IN ANY FORM is the Marines?

Because they are the real fighters and fraternization doesn't work. Not with young people full of hormones that have been indoctrinated by the NEA and MTV to think with their genitals and not their brains.
103 posted on 05/07/2004 11:46:23 PM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I was referring to so many people having them,taking pictures willy nilly and sending them home.

Of course there are good reasons for the military to have and use cameras;that's NOT what I was talking about.

104 posted on 05/07/2004 11:47:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: McGavin999
what Hackworth did to them and the country.

Don't you mean what the ABUSERS IN THE PRISON did the military and the country? All this anger over the pictures getting out suggests you're fine with the behavior recorded on those pictures - you just don't want news of the behavior to get out.

105 posted on 05/07/2004 11:47:41 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: MJY1288
From your post to God! But I doubt it! Thanks for the pep talk though, you are always reliable for that!
106 posted on 05/07/2004 11:47:43 PM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: CWOJackson
The problem there is he, and his willing associates in the press, would turn this into a media circus.

You mean it isn't already? LOL

107 posted on 05/07/2004 11:48:03 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Fledermaus
The women caused all this, and the men had no choice because women were present? That's just stupid.
108 posted on 05/07/2004 11:48:08 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: churchillbuff
Don't you mean what the ABUSERS IN THE PRISON did the military and the country? All this anger over the pictures getting out suggests you're fine with the behavior recorded on those pictures -

Oh blow it out your ear. No one is excusing the behavior. In fact it would be nice if the perpetrators would stop trying to excuse their behavior.

109 posted on 05/07/2004 11:50:10 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: Texasforever; Howlin
Thank you for the ping(s).
I am furious.
Absolutely furious.

I read everything you said about Hackworth.
You're right, he has always hated Brass,
and I can't recall exactly why, but he went
sour on our side a while back.
Maybe you remember?
Soon afterward, Fox dropped as a "contributor."
110 posted on 05/07/2004 11:50:31 PM PDT by onyx (WHO LEAKED TO CBS?)
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To: Texasforever; Howlin
Hack might have helped to facilitate the leak of the photo's, but someone leaked the report to the press to go along with the pics. Joe Scarborough was complaining the night before 60 Minutes II was going to air the pics, about the fact that he had the report, yet the DoD didn't.

I think I can smell a crusty pantsuit involved in the leak of this report, See this thread below

Did Hillary reveal who leaked report in her questioning of Rumsfeld today?

111 posted on 05/07/2004 11:50:46 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
".. Not trying to indict all prison guards, but they certainly have more than their share of bad apples."

They also have guys who know the system and how to cover their asses. Notice how when he got in trouble this stuff ends up on 60 Minutes II. The investigation starts in Jan. and as it looks bad for him (How could it look any other way with the photos) his Daddy calls Hack.

That does not explain why the photos were taken in the first place and kept in casual control. If Military intelligence ordered this as a method of breaking down prisoners they would have known to keep tight control of something so explosive.

It is possible that the photos are the acts of those soldiers with sadistic leanings and their enablers and were kept for their amusement as mementos in the same way serial killers often take items from their victims and for essentially the same reasons.

The danger of having something so incriminating adds to the spice.

112 posted on 05/07/2004 11:51:02 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: BykrBayb
Try looking up "comprehension" in the dictionary before you spout BS.

I'd explain the overall problem with the mixing of the sexes in the military (the woman in the pics with dangling cigs is carrying the baby of one of the "guards" and should have never been there - thus proving if women weren't there to begin with he'd not have her there visiting and being stupid unless he was gay and letting his gay lover do the same) but you'd probably not be able to calculate those facts.
113 posted on 05/07/2004 11:52:32 PM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: Fledermaus
Right you are!

Besides being in several pictures, the "woman" in the middle of this is PREGGERS,by the head "torturer" and was NOT assigned to this duty at all;she was just "visiting".

114 posted on 05/07/2004 11:52:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: saquin
"Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response,"

So Why are they saying they didn't know anything? 17 members knew. I wonder which 17 lied?
115 posted on 05/07/2004 11:52:40 PM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1
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To: MJY1288
This onion has many layers and it goes back to the strategy uncovered in "memogate".
116 posted on 05/07/2004 11:52:54 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: churchillbuff
No, I'm not fine with the perps, but I'm furious with Hackworth because he should have known better. He should have known what this would do to the situation over there. He just endangered every one of those kids in that theater. He also endangered this country by putting those pictures into the hands of the media. He's supposed to be a military man. The media are totally without morals, but you would expect someone who CLAIMS to be for the "little guy" to know better.
117 posted on 05/07/2004 11:52:59 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
neither he nor his father believes he was adequately trained by the military to handle prisoners of war..."

That IS what his unit did! Prisoners! What the HELL was he doing the last 20 years?????

118 posted on 05/07/2004 11:54:03 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Fledermaus
and just nuke the Middle East and get on with the future. Why are we wasting time, money and our military lives to help these 4th century idiots?

You say "nuke the Middle East" and you call THEM 4th century idiots?

119 posted on 05/07/2004 11:56:09 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Howlin
Thanks H.

The situation will get a lot worse here based on what I read elsewhere.

“There are other photos that depict incidents of physical violence toward prisoners, acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he said. “... It’s going to get a good deal more terrible, I’m afraid.”

Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys."

The way I see this is a few American soldiers might deserve to hang from the neck under military law if some of the above information is true.
Even in WW2 which developed some of our best people, there were 70 soldiers hung for rape.
I apologize for the harsh information here, but what I am saying is there are a few bad seeds among the 250,000 heroes and the ones that went off-the-reservation and did the rape and other stuff will probably die as punishment.

120 posted on 05/07/2004 11:56:50 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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