[AFPhys]

Listen: Hitlery saying "The focus on the pictures being released is, with all due respect, missing the point." is absolutely, based on my research, incorrect. As I read the Geneva Convention, this belittling publicity against the individual prisoners involved is a greater violation than the actual humiliation which took place. I think this is a proper view by the GC, too. This publicity will hurt them long after their being naked will.

I honestly believe that CBS and others who were complicit in publicizing this could be liable under the GC for a War Crime, while the soldiers who committed the act are liable for far less severe penalty. But not only that, this interference with a criminal investigation may well absolve those who did the act itself from being able to be prosecuted. If that is the case, it will not be in our best interests, and again the publicizers are liable for the effect.

I will see if I can recover the GC research I did a few days ago and quote those passages which make my point, if after I read this whole thread I discover that no one else has done so.

I am very excited to have heard yesterday that Rummy, Meyers, etc., had not been privy to viewing the pictures until the need to come to the hearing had forced that. They were clearly not running the investigation and prosecution, and they had no involvement in it other than making sure that justice was going to be visited on the liable folks. I am not sure on what pretense even they would have been able to justify looking at sequestered evidence.

That there was an even greater criminal act being committed, the illegal release of evidence in a criminal matter, could really turn into a "WaterGate" type event if any investigative reporters really get onto this - depending, of course - on what they discover.

For the record, here is a picture of Hitlery "First to the microphone" after the hearing, courtesy of TomGuy: post#2317 yesterday's thread:

As was said: "Fox pulled away, but the bitch was making a press statement one flat minute after it ended!!"

2316 and 2319
Make the point the live threaders noticed Hitlery's problem reight away:

To: All
Whoa! Did you see Hillary blowing a "whew" just then? She looked shaken, like she'd been caught with the goods!
2,316 posted on 05/07/2004 2:39:13 PM EDT by arasina (So there.)

To: Peach; Dog; Howlin
Is it me or does Hellary look like she was just hit with a truck ... Very pale looking as she walked out hearing

She is on C-Span1 NOW
2,319 posted on 05/07/2004 2:39:48 PM EDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)

[lavrenti]

The Geneva violation I was always aware of, though I am not a lawyer--but I've been around enough human rights hacks to know this. The publication of the photos is a war crime, period.

Whoever leaked this is in for a world of hurt. It may be done privately, but I have my doubts that Hillary! remains a threat from now on. She's finished.

[TomGuy]

My comment in the LIVE THREAD about Hillary and Rumsfeld calling her on knowing more than the Pentagon:

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To: Howlin

Hillary screwed up. She talked about a classified document 'that everyone knew about' before it ever got to the Pentagon.

Senator Clinton has some 'splainin' to do.

2,157 posted on 05/07/2004 1:25:40 PM CDT by TomGuy

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Notice my comment number is 2157 at 1:25:40 PM CDT and the exchange had already taken place.

Also, several times Rumsfeld said that releasing the documents/photos was illegal--[because those are evidence in an ongoing investigation].

Commentaries about Hillary's testimony in the LIVE THREAD begins around posting #2084.

[TomGuy]

Hillary screwed up. She talked about a classified document 'that everyone knew about' before it ever got to the Pentagon.

Senator Clinton has some 'splainin' to do.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the heads up! Great catch.

[Mo1]

That there was an even greater criminal act being committed, the illegal release of evidence in a criminal matter, could really turn into a "WaterGate" type event if any investigative reporters really get onto this - depending, of course - on what they discover.

Could this be why the New York Times outed Hackworth for giving the photo's to CBS????

[AFPhys]

Darn it all... I don't have more time to hunt for this GC stuff. I am certain that the word "grave" part of description of violations that would merit the "war criminal" designation. I have not been able to recover that due to connection difficulties, and I've gotta go soon.

Sorry all.

[prairiebreeze]

CLINTON: But, Mr. Secretary, in January 2002, when you publicly declared that hundreds of people detained by U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan do not have any rights under the Geneva Convention, that was taken as a signal.

And it is clear in looking through the number of investigations that are currently ongoing, that it wasn't just this particular battalion but others that did not receive appropriate training and information about their responsibilities with respect to detention or the Geneva Convention

RUMSFELD:Second, the decision that was made by the president of the United States that you referred to was announced. And in the announcement it was said that the Al Qaida in Guantanamo that are captured in the world, mostly in Afghanistan, would be treated consistent with the Geneva Convention. That is a fact.

I was recalling this exchange as well and went back to read it again. Rumsfeld exposed the Beasts attempt to deceive and twist the truth, IMO.

Prairie