Did Hillary reveal who leaked report in her questioning of Rumsfeld today?

Senate Armed Services Committee ^ | 5/7/04 | Senate Armed Services committee

[AFPhys]

Listen: Hitlery saying "The focus on the pictures being released is, with all due respect, missing the point." is absolutely, based on my research, incorrect. As I read the Geneva Convention, this belittling publicity against the individual prisoners involved is a greater violation than the actual humiliation which took place. I think this is a proper view by the GC, too. This publicity will hurt them long after their being naked will.

I honestly believe that CBS and others who were complicit in publicizing this could be liable under the GC for a War Crime, while the soldiers who committed the act are liable for far less severe penalty. But not only that, this interference with a criminal investigation may well absolve those who did the act itself from being able to be prosecuted. If that is the case, it will not be in our best interests, and again the publicizers are liable for the effect.

I will see if I can recover the GC research I did a few days ago and quote those passages which make my point, if after I read this whole thread I discover that no one else has done so.

I am very excited to have heard yesterday that Rummy, Meyers, etc., had not been privy to viewing the pictures until the need to come to the hearing had forced that. They were clearly not running the investigation and prosecution, and they had no involvement in it other than making sure that justice was going to be visited on the liable folks. I am not sure on what pretense even they would have been able to justify looking at sequestered evidence.

That there was an even greater criminal act being committed, the illegal release of evidence in a criminal matter, could really turn into a "WaterGate" type event if any investigative reporters really get onto this - depending, of course - on what they discover.

For the record, here is a picture of Hitlery "First to the microphone" after the hearing, courtesy of TomGuy: post#2317 yesterday's thread:

As was said: "Fox pulled away, but the bitch was making a press statement one flat minute after it ended!!"

2316 and 2319
Make the point the live threaders noticed Hitlery's problem reight away:

To: All
Whoa! Did you see Hillary blowing a "whew" just then? She looked shaken, like she'd been caught with the goods!
2,316 posted on 05/07/2004 2:39:13 PM EDT by arasina (So there.)

To: Peach; Dog; Howlin
Is it me or does Hellary look like she was just hit with a truck ... Very pale looking as she walked out hearing

She is on C-Span1 NOW
2,319 posted on 05/07/2004 2:39:48 PM EDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)

[AFPhys]

You say the report was well known. I don't know how you know that. All I know is when it made the public, when somebody took a secret document out of prosecutorial channels and released it to the press, I do not believe it was yet anywhere in the Pentagon.

This line of Rummy's is worth repeating over and over.

Wow: what a clumsy doofus she was to reveal this info!

I bet you wish you hadn't played the "new Prince CD" now that she's really stepped into this stinkin' pile...

[AFPhys]

Not that it will make any difference to you, but the release of the photos and publicizing this humiliation is probably an even greater violation of the Geneva Convention than the humiliation itself. THAT is why this release of information is an important one. After all, if no one saw these pictures, how bad would the reputation of the prisoner be damaged? Who would have known?

It is the release of the photos that is the greater crime here, yes, even greater than the "sex pyramid" and "naked".
CBS and Hitlery ought to have known that - heck - common sense would tell you that! All officers, and most non-officers, in the military should have been aware of that, too. To say the higher-ups in the Old Media were not liable for this humiliation is being very disingenuous.

[lavrenti]

The Geneva violation I was always aware of, though I am not a lawyer--but I've been around enough human rights hacks to know this. The publication of the photos is a war crime, period.

Whoever leaked this is in for a world of hurt. It may be done privately, but I have my doubts that Hillary! remains a threat from now on. She's finished.

[TomGuy]

My comment in the LIVE THREAD about Hillary and Rumsfeld calling her on knowing more than the Pentagon:

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To: Howlin

Hillary screwed up. She talked about a classified document 'that everyone knew about' before it ever got to the Pentagon.

Senator Clinton has some 'splainin' to do.

2,157 posted on 05/07/2004 1:25:40 PM CDT by TomGuy

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Notice my comment number is 2157 at 1:25:40 PM CDT and the exchange had already taken place.

Also, several times Rumsfeld said that releasing the documents/photos was illegal--[because those are evidence in an ongoing investigation].

Commentaries about Hillary's testimony in the LIVE THREAD begins around posting #2084.

[TomGuy]

Hillary screwed up. She talked about a classified document 'that everyone knew about' before it ever got to the Pentagon.

Senator Clinton has some 'splainin' to do.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the heads up! Great catch.

[TomGuy]

Rumsfeld HASC FULL transcript
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The Taguba Report
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[Pagey]

Donald Rumsfeld to Hillary Clinton---On The Record "...You say the report was well known. I don't know how you know that. All I know is when it made the public, when somebody took a secret document out of prosecutorial channels and released it to the press, I do not believe it was yet anywhere in the Pentagon. Certainly, I had not been given it or seen it..."

SLAP! God Bless Don R. for answering the way he did. This is why I love Free Republic. This exchange will never make the alphabet channels, though I wish SOMEONE at FOX would talk about it. This is a classic example as to why she is a threat to the U.S. while sitting on the Armed Services Committee.( The fact that she won Senator of N.Y. is still beyond my comprehension.) The Clintons have acknowledged they talk 6-7 times a day sometimes. Can anyone imagine the information that she tells her husband? I sure wish she could be forced to answer his (almost a)question by stating how she acquired that information. She is so full of herself with her 'everybody knew attitude' and he called her on it. I'd really like to hear the audio to that exchange.

[Miss Marple]

Thank goodness someone else is making that point!!! I am amazed that no one, not even Rush as far as I know, has commented on the criminality of CBS in this mess!

Some interesting stuff has come up on the Hack thread. I will ping you to it.

[cyncooper]

If it was not in the Pentagon, it was with the DOJ, right?

It was in the Army Criminal Division that is prosecuting the cases.

Rumsfeld, Myers, etc, had not read the report or seen the pictures, but had been briefed on the contents (not details, though), and the fact that photos and videos existed.

[AFPhys]

Article 13

Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by
the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war
in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present
Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to
medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental
or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.

Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of
violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.


http://www.nancymatson.com/lessonplans/obj_rumsfeld.htm


Sun Mar 23,12:59 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
said that for Iraq to allow the filming of purported US prisoners of
war would be a violation of the Geneva Convention.

And he added that it would be "unfortunate" for international news
organisations to show the images.

Al-Jazeera, the Arab satellite channel, broadcast images ...


"The Geneva Convention indicates that it's not permitted to
photograph and embarrass or humiliate prisoners of war," he said
after CBS showed a snippet of the tape aired by al-Jazeera
television.

"It seems to me that showing a few pictures on the screen, not
knowing who they are and being communicated by al-Jazeera,
which is not a perfect instrument of communication, obviously is
part of Iraqi propaganda," he told the US network.

Later on CNN, Rumsfeld reaffirmed the Geneva Convention case
against humiliating prisoners. "Its something that the United States
does not do. Needless to say, television networks that carry such
pictures, I would say are doing something that's unfortunate."

http://slate.msn.com/id/2080617/#ContinueArticle

Those who violate the stipulations of the Geneva Conventions, such as the
stipulation in Article 13 of the third convention that POWs must be
protected against "insults and public curiosity," risk being tried as war
criminals at the International Criminal Court. The ICRC, hoping to give the
conventions some teeth, was a prime proponent of the court's creation.

[TomGuy]

No wonder Hillary and Co hate the Internet and want gatekeepers to purge and scub the data.

lol.

Hillary and Co can't spin the lie like they could when Bill was in office.

[AFPhys]

You posed a very interesting question about the prison general being linked somehow to the witch of ARK (or is it NY) ...

[Miss Marple]

I don't know how to look up campaign donations. It might be a good idea.

[John Lenin]

So she knew about the photos. Hitlerys kool-aide drinkers think it's a plus.

[mrustow]

Donald Rumsfeld to Hillary Clinton---On The Record "...You say the report was well known. I don't know how you know that. All I know is when it made the public, when somebody took a secret document out of prosecutorial channels and released it to the press, I do not believe it was yet anywhere in the Pentagon. Certainly, I had not been given it or seen it..."

SLAP! God Bless Don R. for answering the way he did. This is why I love Free Republic. This exchange will never make the alphabet channels, though I wish SOMEONE at FOX would talk about it. This is a classic example as to why she is a threat to the U.S. while sitting on the Armed Services Committee.( The fact that she won Senator of N.Y. is still beyond my comprehension.) The Clintons have acknowledged they talk 6-7 times a day sometimes. Can anyone imagine the information that she tells her husband? I sure wish she could be forced to answer his (almost a)question by stating how she acquired that information. She is so full of herself with her 'everybody knew attitude' and he called her on it. I'd really like to hear the audio to that exchange.

And that was a wounded Rumsfeld! That sort of toughness is why the socialists have so long sought to get Rumsfeld fired.

[AFPhys]

Sorry everyone: I lost my net connex just after that post.

I had intended to comment that it is difficult for me to see how any news organization could be charged, but it is also pretty clear from some other info I ran across the other day that the humiliation itself did not get into the "war crimes" area.

I'll continue looking for that for a little while...

[cyncooper]

I thought that it was the "pictures" that were leaked?

Both the report and the pictures were leaked:

Rumsfeld Says Abuse of Iraqi Prisoners `Un-American'

Excerpt:

Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, commander of coalition forces in Iraq, in January requested the investigative report of the 800th Military Police Brigade that operated at the prison. The report, classified on its cover page as ``Secret/No Foreign Dissemination,'' was obtained by Bloomberg News. The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times have reported on portions of it.

~snip~

In addition, as pointed out, the report had not reached Myers and Rumsfeld yet, so was not "well known" before media publication, despite HRC's contention.

[monkeywrench]

I'm begginning to feel this release of the pictures was payback for declassifying the gorelick memo. I think hillary wanted her operatives to hang onto the pics til Oct. (remember her 'Oct, surprise), but got mad and decided to release 'some' of them, now as a warning. Rummy neutralized her at the hearing, and the rest of the pics will never be released. I think the administration knew they had them, and were keeping them for closer to the election, and called them on it--early.

[AFPhys]

I keep finding myself reverting back to the actual evidence so far. Every picture I have seen so far does not represent an atrocity or a form of physical torture. All I see is humiliation and a small degree of abuse. After all, we are dealing with POW's who were captured on the battlefield, not some drunk or jay walker who was arrested for a minor offense. We are talking about trained killers

You're so on target here.

I've not seen anything that is as outrageous as some people are pretending there is about.

I HAVE HEARD that there are "rape" and other photos that are STAGED and apparently came from porn sites long before Dec'03. I will trust that the military has been able to sort out what is real and what isn't in their investigation.

These prisoners deserved far worse treatment than the actual evidence I have seen they recieved, if there were some chance that they would yield up useful intelligence info as a result.