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To: PhiKapMom
What if it was an Intelligence operation? These people are terrorist and may know something that we need. If they are humilitated into submission, they might just say something we need to save all of us.

IMO ... the real question is why did these pictures show up after a report that was done back in Jan??

Who slipped the photo's to CBS and the press? and why?

956 posted on 05/06/2004 9:05:39 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Mo1
You are so right!

I just went back and read the RAW DATA report posted by Fox News. I put RAW DATA in caps for a reason. When I worked for the AF, we had to do deal with Inspector General inspections out in the field. We always were given a RAW DATA report before the final report went public and more than once what was in a RAW DATA report was erroneous and corrected before the final report when further information was made available.

We almost had a Hospital Commander at one of the depots fired because of an error in the preliminary (RAW DATA) report that was given to the hospital and forwarded to our office.

The timing is totally suspect as is the leaking to CBS! I am currently searching the DoD site for this report and cannot find it but will keep looking. Did find this press release by the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs:

Vice Chairman Promises Thorough Look Into Prisoner Abuse
By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, May 6, 2004 — The vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff condemned abuse of Iraqi prisoners and said the military will get to the bottom of what happened at Abu Ghraib prison and bring the perpetrators to justice.

Military investigators are "looking into every detail of every facet of this that we can find" and will "track down all possible leads" during their probe, Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace said on the CBS Early Show May 5.

"We are going to go about finding out how this happened, why it happened, take action against those who are responsible, and correct our training systems and our procedures as best we can to prevent this in the future," he said.

Pace dismissed reported claims by those accused in the incidents that they were merely following orders. "These soldiers were not following orders," he said. "That is not what we expect of ourselves. It is not what the American people expect of us. We are expected to perform our duties honorably. And the vast majority of the hundreds of thousands of young men and women — active, Reserve and Guard -- who have served in Iraq have done so honorably."

The vice chairman said the fact that President Bush felt it necessary to go on Arab language television to condemn abuse at the prison "brings discredit and dishonor on all of us who serve in the military and brings discredit on our country."

"And we don't like doing that to ourselves, to our country, (and) certainly not to our president," he said.

Pace said the prisoner abuse, shown graphically on television screens and newspapers worldwide, "is not who we are" and "not what we represent."

"There are thousands and thousands of wonderful Americans right now serving our country overseas," he said. "They're the ones who deserve the credit. And things like this are not what we're about, and are not acceptable."

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Must admit that this is getting annoying to keep finding press releases that I never see in the media! This clearly shows that the investigation is ongoing and that the RAW DATA report is not the final report on this!
961 posted on 05/06/2004 9:14:33 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: Mo1
Here is another press release we don't see in the lamestream press:

Detainees Getting Proper Care, Assures Coalition Military Official
By Rudi Williams
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, May 5, 2004 – Detainees at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison are being fed, have and wear clothes, and do not sleep on the ground, asserted a coalition military spokesman at a Baghdad press briefing today.

Army Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy director for operations, Combined Joint Task Force 7, said a reporter had been "obviously been misinformed" at an allegation that Abu Ghraib prisoners are being held without clothes or food and sleep on the ground in tents.

Kimmitt assured that abuse had stopped at the prison. "We continue in the vast majority of cases to be in absolute adherence to the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of security detainees," he said.

The soldiers involved in the abuse were immediately taken away from Abu Ghraib and suspended from any contact with any portion of the prison, Kimmitt said. "As soon as it was found out that they were involved in this, they were instantly suspended and given no ability to go back into that prison as a guard," Kimmitt said.

"They are being prosecuted. Six are facing criminal charges. Most are through the process of the investigation, and we would expect that after the end of those final investigations, it may end up in a military court martial."

Kimmitt guaranteed that "the United States Army will make a full-faith effort to do everything it can in its power in training, in resourcing and discipline to ensure this never happens again. Is it a fail-safe, 100 percent guarantee? I wish I could stand up here and promise you that. Is it as close to a 100 percent guarantee that one can reasonably expect? That I can guarantee you."

He said, "My Army been embarrassed and shamed by this. And on behalf of my Army, I apologize for what those soldiers did to your citizens. It was reprehensible and it was unacceptable. And it is more than just words that we have to take those words into action and ensure that never happens again. And we will make a full-faith effort to ensure that never happens again."

"It's our firm determination that there will continue to be oversight procedures, training mechanisms in place to ensure that no type of detainee abuse will occur again in the future," Kimmitt said.
966 posted on 05/06/2004 9:20:23 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: Mo1
Who slipped the photo's to CBS and the press? and why?

I think it was whoever is running this psyop. Probably the CIA, but it's all pure speculation.

Certainly, the world press is playing this precisely as any reasonable person would expect it to.

If someone wanted to make sure Arab men around the world saw themselves being humiliated by American servicewomen, they have certainly accomplished that goal, and all for the price of a few leaked (and carefully chosen) photographs.

Clever!

973 posted on 05/06/2004 9:29:03 PM PDT by Imal (If you oppose what our troops are doing, you are opposing our troops.)
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