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U.S. Marines Hand Falluja to Former Saddam General
Yahoo (Reuters) ^ | 4/30/04 | Fadel Badran

Posted on 04/30/2004 3:56:58 AM PDT by The_Victor

FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) -

U.S. Marines handed control of Falluja to a former general in Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s feared Republican Guard on Friday in bid to end a month-long siege that killed hundreds in the city and infuriated Iraqis.

In what appeared to be a reversal of Washington's policy of excluding members of Saddam's Baathist regime from power, Jasim Mohamed Saleh told Reuters his force would help police and other Iraqi security forces bring order to the town.

The commander of the Marines, who were pulling back from siege positions around the city of 300,000, was quoted as saying the former commanding general of Saddam's 38th Infantry Division would lead a force of about 900 mostly former Iraqi soldiers to replace the U.S. forces.

"We have now begun forming a new emergency military force to help the forces of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps and the Iraqi police in completing the mission of imposing security and stability in Falluja without the need for the American army, which the people of Falluja reject," Saleh said.

Falluja's police chief confirmed the deal to Reuters.

Hundreds of people cheered the former general, who lives in the city, as he made his way into the town center in uniform in the early afternoon.

A relative said he had been chief-of-staff of a brigade of Saddam's Republican Guard, an elite force that put up the main resistance to U.S. invading forces a year ago. Senior officers were all expected to be members of the ruling Baath party.

The top Marine Corps officer in Iraq (news - web sites), Lieutenant General James Conway told the New York Times the new unit would be called the 1st Battalion of the Falluja Brigade.

GUERRILLA FIGHTERS

Marines pulled back from positions along the southern and western edges of the city. But they appeared to hold on to strongpoints dominating the Golan district to the north, where they have fought fierce gunbattles and called in bombers on Thursday evening against Sunni Muslim insurgents.

It was unclear what influence the new Iraqi force in Falluja has over the estimated 2,000 or so guerrillas, some of whom U.S. officials say are diehard Saddam supporters in a city once fiercely loyal to his minority Sunni-dominated regime.

Some 200 foreign Islamic militants have also been active, U.S. commanders and Iraqi officials in Baghdad say.

U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz spoke of trying to "isolate the killers from the population."

Further details of the accord remained elusive. U.S. demands that Marines launch joint patrols with Iraqi police inside town appeared to have been dropped. There was no word on a call to local people to hand over the killers of four U.S. contractors whose bodies were publicly mutilated, prompting the U.S. siege.

People who had fled homes in Falluja lined up at military checkpoints to return to the town, clearly hopeful that a peaceful resolution might now be in sight.

President Bush (news - web sites) gave his troops a free hand this week to retake control of the city, a symbol of insurgency among Iraq's Sunni Muslim minority against the American occupation, and the Pentagon (news - web sites) has sent dozens more heavy tanks to the area.

A U.S. defense official said efforts to win over hearts and minds before handing over formal sovereignty to an interim Iraqi government on June 30 had to be balanced with a need to show that resistance to U.S. occupation would not be tolerated.

 

"The Iraqis do respect strength. In their mind, a lot of that strength comes from combat power presence," he said.

HUMILIATING PHOTOGRAPHS

However, appealing to Iraqi public opinion is vital for U.S. officials trying to restore some stability. The troops are likely to be in Iraq for a considerable time to come.

The June 30 deadline for ceding power to an interim Iraqi government would mark only the beginning of the transfer of sovereignty, Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) said on Thursday.

"This will be a difficult time, over the next two months, getting to June 30, because the enemy is well aware that their circumstances will become more difficult as soon as we begin to transfer authority back to the people of Iraq," he added.

Efforts to calm Iraqi irritation with the occupation were not helped by the wide dissemination of humiliating photographs, first broadcast in the United States, which appear to show U.S. soldiers abusing detainees at Saddam's long notorious Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad.

Arab television channels broadcast the pictures on Friday.

The military said it might discipline the general in charge. Six soldiers have already been charged over the incidents.

In Falluja, doctors say about 600 Iraqis have been killed.

April has also been the bloodiest month for American forces in 13 months in Iraq. Ten deaths on Thursday meant nearly a quarter of the 534 U.S. combat deaths have occurred this month.

Around the southern holy city of Najaf, U.S. forces are tightening a squeeze on the Mehdi Army militia loyal to rebel cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, who has taken refuge among shrines sacred to Iraq's long oppressed Shi'ite Muslim majority. (Additional reporting by Akram Saleh in Falluja, Ghaith Abdul-Ahad and Gleb Bryanski in Najaf, and Tom Perry, Michael Battye and Joseph Logan in Baghdad)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: falluja; handover; iraq; iraqiofficers; marines; republicanguard
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To: rrrod
This is a good idea ...we are dealing with a mentality that is so much diff. than ours folks

Of course it is. But to believe that, one would have to believe that perhaps 'spreading democracy' (I think that's the latest excuse) won't work here either...

Of course that's a conservative view

181 posted on 04/30/2004 6:22:46 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: JustAnAmerican
Well first of all you decided to make up your own headline and second like I said before, I am not there and you are not there, but go ahead with your hubristic armchair quaterbacking from 6,000 miles away.
182 posted on 04/30/2004 6:23:34 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Gucho
Gen. Abizaid now giving live briefing

Has he surrendered in Arabic yet ?

183 posted on 04/30/2004 6:23:39 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: hobson
It is our Oprah-like nation, with the patience of a 1/2 sitcom, conspiracy minded, cynical, illogical and un-serious.

Sad.

Thank god they were not around in WWII.
184 posted on 04/30/2004 6:23:44 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: All
The specific people who killed the 4 contractors probably can't be found for several reasons. 1) If they were foreigners, no one in the city knows them -- and they may have left the city holding the hand of some child to look like "a family". 2) They may have died in that huge explosion the AC130 caused the other night.

If they are dead or cannot be found, that goal becomes moot.

The Iraqis are going to have to run their own country. We're downshifting our involvement June 30. I think the overall plan is to vacate the cities, patrol the oil pipelines and if there's a sign of religious extremists taking control, reassert authority from the air.

From a service competition perspective, the Army choosing to be on the ground there to "restore stability" may have disproved what they wanted to prove about their relevancy and how deserving they are of budget. They generate a lot of politically difficult casualties. They did not prove their positive to negative ratio was valid. American authority over a conquered nation can be imposed from the air with impunity. Putting soldiers on the ground has value, but not enough to offset the political negatives fo casualties.

Perhaps it is no coincidence the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is Army at this point.
185 posted on 04/30/2004 6:23:46 AM PDT by Owen
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To: livius
War is based on "tactical" assumptions with uncertain results and therefore subject to alternatives to produce
the desired result.
186 posted on 04/30/2004 6:23:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: JustAnAmerican
"We suffered a lot in prison but with God's help and that of the people of Fallujah (search) I gained my freedom," he said. "Thanks be to God for the victory of Fallujah."

ARGGGHHH!!!

This guy is the freaking top Imam in the city and basically a Sunni version of al Sadr. This is the prick who was stirring up the Fallujah insurgency in the FIRST PLACE!!

And now we are releasing him? Tell me that isn't a surrender!?! We are pulling out, handing over control of the city to the very Saddam loyalists we've been fighting, and releasing the terrorist in charge.

Oh yeah... this is a wonderful victory... great plan... absolutely. If you're with the TERRORISTS!
187 posted on 04/30/2004 6:24:15 AM PDT by Khaibit
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To: norton
You are right. Folks, the comparisons to Japan, either for or against this Fallujah thing, are pointless: Japan's emperor was viewed as the "son of God" and his word was absolutely followed to the letter. He had NEVER spoken on public policy before Aug. 1945 when he told the people of Japan to surrender---and so they did, almost to a man. The streets of Tokyo were so, well, "friendly" to U.S. troops that many did not need sidearms. There is no such personage in Muslim culture or in Iraq today.

It is also true that Patton used MANY ex-Nazis to run things, and don't think for a minute that if Erwin Rommel hadn't died at Hitler's hand, that he wouldn't have been allowed to retain a key post in the "new" German army.

I, for one, have confidence in the administration. There are lots of "hellfire and brimstone" people here who think that in the Arab world the only progress that comes is as a result of a sledgehammer. I think you can achieve your ends surgically.

Moreover, there is NO reliable number of how many of these yahoos we've killed. At one point, we were taking out 100 every two days. Do the math. There aren't a lot of these guys left.

Finally, at some point some Iraqi "leaders" are going to have to exercise control---and the same people who say democracy and liberty won't work in Iraq were the ones who said it wouldn't work in Japan.

188 posted on 04/30/2004 6:24:32 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Dane
LOL, my own headline huh? Might want to click on that link I supplied earlier, unless of course you think FoxNews is also biased?
189 posted on 04/30/2004 6:24:43 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican
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To: JustAnAmerican
You really should get off your "It's easy for you make your self-proclimed judgements from your armchair 6,000 miles away and it shows." podium, your state department colors are starting to show

Uh I am not the one doing the armchair quaterbacking from 6,000 miles away.

190 posted on 04/30/2004 6:24:45 AM PDT by Dane
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To: af_vet_1981
Can you keep us informed on this briefing?....Please!!
191 posted on 04/30/2004 6:25:29 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: livius
No field commander has ever have the authority to do something like this. I think it had to be (or will have to be) approved from the very top.
192 posted on 04/30/2004 6:25:43 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: af_vet_1981
If we all know everything why do the classifications "Top Secret" and "Confidential" exist. Thank you for your service but I'm fairly sure you don't have the facts you need to call the plays from where you sit.
193 posted on 04/30/2004 6:25:48 AM PDT by sandlady
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To: AfghanIraqVeteran
"Though I'm dissapointed over the outcome of this situation, I dont think the answer to the problem is to not vote for Bush. Consider the alternative. You think we're having problems now? The last thing we need is a Frenchman running things..."

Bush is acting like a Frenchman

194 posted on 04/30/2004 6:26:22 AM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: The_Victor
Keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer?
195 posted on 04/30/2004 6:26:43 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: JustAnAmerican
The FOX headline was "Sunni cleric released".

Look you can make your armchair quaterbacking judgements all you want, but don't get mad when someone points out the fact that you are not on the ground in Iraq and do not know everything that is going on.

196 posted on 04/30/2004 6:26:59 AM PDT by Dane
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To: jaykay
Wrong, THE main objective is to achieve a free Iraq. if by reactivating some of the old more moderate Iraqi units(the ones that surrendered) we remove our troops from the line of fire. it is a step toward achieving that objective. and I believe the old military will be eager to show their abilities against the foriegn fighters in fallujah.
197 posted on 04/30/2004 6:27:04 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: Dane
I understand. I used to get frustrated with the pessimistic blowhards but I finally decided they were not worth my time or anguish. Now, I just try to present them with positive view points/facts. Some just want to hang on to that "miserable failure" attitude regardless of the facts.

Check out the Belmont Club for serious, informed analysis of the current situation in Fallujah.

198 posted on 04/30/2004 6:27:08 AM PDT by hobson
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To: Liberty Valance
That 60 minutes piece with the naked Jihadis didn't help us. Those photos are flying around the world like lightening. We've been hung out to dry by CBS and most of the press.

I agree with you and it's vitally important that the punishment of those involved is swift and just. And publicized.

199 posted on 04/30/2004 6:27:41 AM PDT by sandlady
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To: af_vet_1981
The American people absolutely did sign on to that war.

We are killing the terrorists who killed our people. We have been doing a rather effective job of it. Still are.

Unless you are tapped in (and you very may well be) to what is happening on the ground... you really have no idea what is going on. You see the headlines and the sky is falling in. The headlines is surface at best. We certainly haven't turned tail and run. And we certainly aren't losing the war.

What do you know about the General? Is he the terrorists' accomplice or our ally?

Or do you just generalize all Iraqis and all Muslims as terrorists?

200 posted on 04/30/2004 6:28:03 AM PDT by carton253 (I don't do nuance)
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