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Britain could be forced out of the EU, warns Chirac
The Times ^ | April 29, 2004 | CHARLES BREMNER IN PARIS

Posted on 04/29/2004 3:42:40 PM PDT by Eurotwit

Britain could be forced to leave the European Union if its voters reject the proposed new constitution in a referendum, President Chirac suggested today.

The French leader, who is resisting pressure to commit himself to a referendum in France, noted that if any state failed to ratify the constitutional treaty then none of the other members would be able legally to ratify it either - scuppering the whole project.

At a press conference to convince a sceptical France of the merits of the expanded EU, M Chirac referred to proposals aired in Brussels and Berlin that would require member nations to ratify the constitution or leave the EU.

This could be a "positive solution", said M Chirac. "I am not against the idea of using methods of friendly persuasion with countries that are refusing the constitution, because that blocks all the others."

Made in answer to a question about Britain, M Chirac's remarks reflected his exasperation over Tony Blair's decision to put the constitution to a risky plebiscite.

The President said that he was confident that the constitution would be settled by leaders in June. He insisted that he would not be rushed into a French referendum, but would take a decision after the treaty was signed and then examined - probably next year - by the French constitutional authority.

M Chirac said that Britain was in a different situation from France because it did not have a written constitution. He said he had no comment on Mr Blair's "political decision", but added: "I do not imagine that England could find itself in the situation of having to leave Europe."

He also kicked into the long grass the prospect of Turkish membership of the Union. EU leaders are expected to approve entry negotiations with Turkey in December, but Ankara's membership remains highly unpopular in France, where it has been rejected outright by M Chirac's own Union for a Popular Majority (UPM) party.

"Turkey is destined to be an EU member but is not ready and will probably not enter the EU for ten to 15 years," said M Chirac.

M Chirac's Turkish chill contrasted with the glowing image that he depicted of the enlarged Union as he sought to assuage fears that France was losing influence in a Europe of 25 members.

"With its 450 million inhabitants, the Union is asserting itself as a first-class economic power, where growth and investment will create a new dynamic in the service of employment," he said. Fears that the French identity would be "diluted or abandoned" were unfounded, he said.

EU polls show France to be the most hostile of existing member states towards Saturday's "big bang" expansion, but a French national survey this week showed that 64 per cent are now in favour.

Pressure is building from across the French political spectrum for a popular vote on the Constitution rather than ratification by Parliament. According to polls, 75 per cent of the public want a popular vote. The President is reluctant to stage one because of the strong possibility of a 'no' from a public that is unhappy with his presidency.

Mr Blair's referendum has raised the stakes for M Chirac, whose personal popularity has sunk 11 points to 44 percent over the past month.

Talk of the possibility of Britain effectively voting itself out of the EU has become widespread in Europe since Mr Blair's surprise decision.

French, German and other politicians from core EU states say they would regret a British departure but a 'no' would finally end the continent's patience with Britain's semi-detachment to the EU and its historic resistance to deeper integration.

A more diplomatic version was voiced in London yesterday by Valery Giscard d'Estaing, the former French President who led drafting of the constitution treaty.

"In the case of a 'no', "Britain will not be in the core of the system, but at the margin of the system," he said.

Under a"ratify-or-leave" scheme devised by the EU Commission, the 25 member states would first approve and ratify a separate treaty which gave countries two years to endorse the Constitution or give up membership. Departing states would retain their existing EU rights on trade and movement as associate members like Norway and Switzerland.

However, this scheme is highly unlikely to come about because of the initial need for approval by all member states.

M Chirac makes regular television appearances and holds frequent media briefings, but his 90-minute session in the Elysee's gilded Salle des Fetes, was a rare exercise in the tradition of set-piece press conferences that were founded in the late 1950s by the late President de Gaulle.

He used the occasion to reassert his authority after his Government, led by Jean-Pierre Raffarin, suffered a hammering in national regional elections last month. He restated his confidence in M Raffarin and attempted to reassure the country that the Government could meet his promises to soften cuts in the welfare state, while also shrinking the budget deficit that has put France in Brussels' bad books.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eu; euconstitution; europeanunion
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To: Eurotwit
I'm sure many Brits are saying "Don't throw us in that briar patch!"
21 posted on 04/29/2004 4:12:18 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: 45Auto
The European Union is exactly what Hitler had in mind in 1938.

Minus the cult of the Aryan body.

22 posted on 04/29/2004 4:12:50 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: Eurotwit
If the UK were accepted in to the Union, how many states would be added?
23 posted on 04/29/2004 4:17:59 PM PDT by bert (Save People.... Kill Terrorists)
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To: longtermmemmory
Chirac and the eurocrats are trying to establish the aristocracy of the unelected and unremovable beareaucrat.

Their long-term goal is a one-world government run out of Brussels and controlled by Paris and Berlin.

24 posted on 04/29/2004 4:19:10 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Our place in this war? On the political front lines, as our Armed Forces fight on the battle lines.)
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To: Mears
It would be a wondrous event for Britain to leave the EU. This would pave the way for a truly NATIONALIST Britain, and would be supportive of sovereign nation-states everywhere.
25 posted on 04/29/2004 4:20:14 PM PDT by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: Eurotwit
When one considers the Franco-centric nature of the EU, one wonders why it is not called the French Union -- or simply, the FU.

26 posted on 04/29/2004 4:20:36 PM PDT by free2freep
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To: Eurotwit
Famous phrases waiting to be uttered: "Mr. Chiraq, please put up a wall."
27 posted on 04/29/2004 4:21:23 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: Mears
Oh that we could detach the island and paddle it westward. I read this week that the EU institutions spend 1% of their entire 100 billion Euro budget on translators. Even Mussolini knew that this was no way to run a railroad. Of course French pride would never allow the adoption of a common language - the common language of business, science and diplomacy - English.
28 posted on 04/29/2004 4:23:19 PM PDT by RobertSacamano
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To: Eurotwit
I'd love to rename France and Germany into a single entity.

That is, they are already basically one country, and I'm tired of saying "France and Germany".

I've been thinking of a few possibilities:

(1) Franken-nazis (2) Frenchy-deutsch (3) Franken-Krautland (4) Euro-dorkia

29 posted on 04/29/2004 4:24:42 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: Eurotwit
Isn't Britain the only member with a growing economy? If france keeps this up the only members are going to be france, Germany and now Spain.
30 posted on 04/29/2004 4:26:22 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: jdege
How about a real federal constitution, with accountability, seperation of powers, checks and balances, and recognition of fundamental individual rights?

The Europeans are skittish about giving their people anything like 2nd Amendment rights. Without an armed populace that can give the govt troops something to think about, a written constitution is at most a nicely written scrap of paper that can be ignored

At some point, read the 1936 Constitution of the USSR, and reflect how much it restrained Stalin. For a good laugh, look at Chapter 10 on the rights of citizens:

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law:

  1. freedom of speech;
  2. freedom of the press;
  3. freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;
  4. reedom of street processions and demonstrations.
These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.

31 posted on 04/29/2004 4:29:39 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: B.O. Plenty
No kidding. Let the frogs go pound sand up their regal kerrys.
32 posted on 04/29/2004 4:31:57 PM PDT by oldtimer (t)
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To: fishtank
I believe "Franken-Nazis" is reserved for the legions of Al Franken radio fans, if he ever gets any.

I guess we could always refer to his fans as "Franken-Beings". At least until November 3rd.
33 posted on 04/29/2004 4:32:02 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: Eurotwit
These euros kontinue to krack me up.

US Q1-04 GDP just came in at 4.2%. Eurozone countries aren't even sniffin' close to this number.

All these socialistic Europeans want to do is hold hands and assume that by holding hands things will get better and they will get more competitive with the rest of the world. Read some of the articles - these Euros actually have economic and business plans in place to be competitive with the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! It's a riot, it really is.
34 posted on 04/29/2004 4:32:29 PM PDT by gipper81
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To: Eurotwit
The best thing the Brits could do is get out of the EU to avoid loosing their identity and their freedoms.

They should get together with NEW EUROPE and form a union of the free and willing and dump the cowardly French, Germans and tell Brussels to go fly a kite.
35 posted on 04/29/2004 4:33:34 PM PDT by BMC1
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To: bert
If the UK were accepted in to the Union, how many states would be added?

It's a long held dream of mine, don't think it'll ever happen though. The UK will have an Islamic theocracy first. :(

Anyway, the obvious split would be England, Scotland and Wales as full states. This leaves aside the status of Northern Ireland, which would probably have to be decided by referenda in the North and the Republic.
36 posted on 04/29/2004 4:34:11 PM PDT by RobertSacamano
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To: Eurotwit
Chiraq just wants to get even for being on different sides of the fence on the Iraq war. Also by having Great Britain give up its sovernity to the EU, then there would be NO differences in policy - including who you go to war with.
37 posted on 04/29/2004 4:34:35 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Eurotwit

"We weel someday make America part of the EU, too,
with Sharia, and some Scottish law, truly subservient to the UN."

38 posted on 04/29/2004 4:38:59 PM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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To: MegaSilver
1 The European Union is exactly what Hitler had in mind in 1938.

2 Minus the cult of the Aryan body.

3 But with the stench of a French body.
39 posted on 04/29/2004 4:41:05 PM PDT by GulliverSwift (Scott McClellan and Jamie Gorelick both need to go.)
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To: Eurotwit
Looks like these French never never learn.
40 posted on 04/29/2004 4:42:19 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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