Specter Wins 51-49 Republican Senatorial Primary: live thread

4/27/2004 | self

[rudy45]

My apologies if a thread already exists. I did a search on "Toomey" and found nothing.

I arrived at my polling area (suburban Philadelphia) at 6:45 am to hand out palm cards. The weather is terrific this morning, but turnout (I thought) was light (I had to leave at 9:15, but will be back).

Actually, I have a good feeling about Pat.

[Fledermaus]

Amazing...now simple opinion and facts are "DU Trolling". Let's see: so far if you are for free trade and don't agree with the over the top "outsourcing" people - you are a "free traitor". If you don't toe the party line on every subject - you are a DU troll. If you don't care to see more RINO's getting elected while proven conservatives get tromped because of principle - you are called a spoiler and accused of wanting the perfect over the power. If you don't swallow the "Fair Tax" utopia hook, line and sinker, you are a fool and can't read.

And this is still considered a "conservative" forum? How? Conservatives, at least the ones I've known for 30 years, don't mind true debate, arguing, hashing out issues.

That's far from what this forum allows anymore with it's clicks and groups and factions.

And some dare call ME a "DU Troller" (wow, I've gotten away without a ZOT then for over 6 years - I must be good)?

I give up! Enjoy your sandbox in your elementary school playground out there kids. I've got adult things to do that are more important.

Adios!

[Ciexyz]

What happens to Pat Toomey now.

[Fledermaus]

Me elite? HA HA HA! I love it! As to increased revenues...fine and dandy. And what happened in the 90's when that happened? They spent it and more. They "projected" the increases out by 10 years and spent accordingly. Every state did the same. EVERYONE of them except for Colorado.

And when the bubble burst and the money stopped flowing in, did they stop their massive increases in spending? NO! They demanded more taxes. And then they portrayed anyone that wanted to slow spending or even go back to the days of 5-8% ridiculous increases instead of the 14-20% increases as "haters" of education and wanting to starve children, unfund hospitals, etc.

Typical lies from typical weasels. As a result, more and more of us realize it makes absolutely no difference any longer if we vote or who is elected.

The Republicans are wimps and give us nothing but conservative-lite with some left wing BS thrown in. They have actually lost ground being in "the majority". The GOP gained more being the minority and just having the House after 1995. Clinton was forced to be fiscally responsible. What happened?

And if the Dems are in charge the GOP has more power to obstruct them (remember the gridlock days?) as the minority. Now we have the likes of McCain, Specter, Snowe, Collins, Chafee and, once, Jeffords tearing up everything in the Senate while Frist does nothing. They can't get their legislation past (tax cuts were temporary and have still yet been brought up to be permanent) while the left just uses the courts to implement their agenda while the right stands by and watches.

So, I'm still waiting to be convinced voting does any good after 30 years of almost never missing one.

Maybe I'm just getting cranky as I get closer to 50, but I'm tired. I've fought, I've worked, I've given money, I've done everything I could and how am I repaid? With caving in, lack of spine, no effort to win the PR battle and educate the voter. And all the while I see less and less people bothering to vote which gives the entrenched powers more say so...the unions, government employees, etc.

I don't mind fighting...I'm just tired of charging the hill only to find the rest of the troops running away waving the white flag.

Regards.

[Fledermaus]

I don't know. I guess he gets a job in the private sector for at least two years if he decides to run for the House again. I doubt he'd every go for Santorum's Senate seat.

Governor of PA? I don't know.

[Once-Ler]

The conservative cause is on the move. RINO'S are a dying breed.

The 2002 Senate WINNERS Sunnunu, Liddy Dole, and Coleman send their raspberries. Arlen justs added the exclamation point. Where do you get the idea that fringe ideology is winning?

[Once-Ler]

Clinton was forced to be fiscally responsible. What happened?

Clinton was fiscally responsible at the expense of our nation defense. 9-11 happened.

[NittanyLion]

Governor of PA? I don't know.

The GOP won't run anyone against Ed Rendell. There's no way he loses his reelection bid.

[Clintonfatigued]

Pat Toomey will be back. In what capacity is unclear at this time, but he is a force to be reckoned with.

[Jorge]

"This is good news for Republicans and good news for Bush. Toomey would have lost the general election."

Shut up.

The truth hurts doesn't it?

[Fledermaus]

Uh, the GOP was in charge. They went along with the decreases in defense. And under Bush, I'm talking about the discretionary spending that's gone WAY UP. Take away defense, Homeland Security (a joke of bureaucracy already), SS, Medicare (worthless ponzi schemes that should be eliminated), etc. and you have massive increases in spending.

Especially on education - throwing more money down a rat hole...good money after bad.

[Minuteman23]

It wasn't as much of a margin as needed, thanks to a lot of voters who fell for the lying, negative ads. Too bad.

[Minuteman23]

It looks like Lancaster COunty let Toomey down and I can't figure out why. Unless a lot of conservative voters fell for the lying negative ads about Toomey. Too bad.

[SchuylerTheViking]

Any Christian who is thinking about sitting out this election and risking throwing this country back into the hands of the amoral, pro-death, anti-military, UN appeasing left, had better get on his knees in prayer right now. The stakes are too great for anyone who names the Name of Christ to behave like a spoiled child having a tantrum because he doesn't get everything he wants. Don't be stupid. Be a grown up.

Thank you for your loving response my Christian brother or sister. Unlike you, I refuse to be a moral relativist. No evil is worthy of support over greater evil.

I am by no means a one-issue voter; although, I give thanks to God that I have never faced a situation of choosing between a pro-life Dem and a pro-abort Pub. I pray that won't happen. In any event, I do not understand your hostility. I am not a child, I am a grownup. I am not having a tantrum, and I am not stupid. If you are attempting to persuade me, your methods are foolhardy. If Bush's actions, taken as a whole, are those of a liberal, then I cannot support him, no matter what Christian duty you feel empowered to place upon me.

[ohioWfan]

First of all, it is NOT unloving for a Christian brother or sister (assuming you are one), to chastise another for behaving badly (which you were).

And for the record, I didn't say you were stupid. I said don't BE stupid.....meaning staying home on election day and risking a JfK presidency. BIG difference. Read more carefully.

You obviously may do what you like politically on election day to act out your anger that President Bush isn't pure enough for your high conservative ideals, and political ideology.

Just don't pretend it has anything to do with your Christianity, because it doesn't. And don't pretend it will be for the good of the country, because it won't.

And remember that you have NO right to complain about anything that happens in this representative republic if you don't vote, so you'd better keep your mouth shut after November, if this country is in the hands of a dangerous leftist because you had a tantrum.

[sefarkas]

"To get policy enacted, you have to win elections."

Electing RINOs and RATS will never get conservative and libertarian policies enacted.

Go have another round of 18 at the club with your other weak-kneed pragmatists.

[Bluntpoint]

Crap! Specter won?

Did he poke extra holes in the ballet cards?

Did he keep minorities from the polls?

Did he try to block absentee votes from the Military?

How will we litigate this?

[Jorge]

"To get policy enacted, you have to win elections."

Electing RINOs and RATS will never get conservative and libertarian policies enacted.

Go have another round of 18 at the club with your other weak-kneed pragmatists.

So I guess you consider President Bush and Rick Santorum to be "weak-kneed pragmatists"?

[Robert A Cook PE]

This potential "cross-over voting (by democrats?) in Philly areas is interesting in view of SPecter's current manipulation of his "one-upmanship" of Bush's victory!