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Al Qaeda-Iraqi relationship proven beyond any doubt.
ABC World News Now | 4/27/2004

Posted on 04/27/2004 2:12:25 AM PDT by Beckwith

ABC World News Now. April 27, 2004

In an interview broadcast by ABC's World News Now, the leader of the Al Qaeda cell organizing the explosive and chemical attack on the Jordanian security headquarters and the American Embassy in Jordan stated that he received his training from Al-Zawahiri in Iraq, prior to the fall of Afghanistan.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afterbash; alqaeda; alqaedaandiraq; alzawahiri; bush2004; iraq; iraqalqaeda; jordan; salmanpak; southwestasia; wmd
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To: Shryke
What rapidly mounting evidence? There was nothing new in this report its just being trumpeted as new "evidence"-- a speciously used term.

Are you (or your family) more statistically likely to be harmed by an A-rab terrorist or an "undocumented worker", to use the euphemism of the day?
221 posted on 04/27/2004 11:22:08 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: Dr. Frank fan
No, its about links to Ansar al-Islam. People keep switching back and forth? LOL, see tagline.

222 posted on 04/27/2004 11:23:16 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Chalabi Republicans: Soft on Treason)
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To: Peach; JohnGalt
The naysayers never have an answer for Salmon Pak, I notice.

I gather from JohnGalt's posts that his "answer" is that we cannot put any stock whatsoever in anything this guy says, because he's associated with Ahmed Chalabi. Like, he was just misquoted by his translator, or something. (LOL) And let's not forget he is associated somehow with Chalabi so everything he says, even "2+2=4", is a lie. Did I mention he's associated with Chalabi somehow? Chalabi!!!

Seems pretty weak to me but I guess that's the best anti Salman Pak talking-point they've got at this point.

223 posted on 04/27/2004 11:23:36 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan; Peach; MizSterious
From the Kurdish Regional Government. I'm sure you know better than them, too.

Kurdistan remains as isolated from the rest of Iraq as it was throughout the 1990s, when Baghdad withdrew from three Kurdish governorates, imposed an internal blockade and left them to fend for themselves. Today's isolation is more voluntary. The Kurds were allies of the US in their war against Saddam Hussein and when Baghdad fell on April 9. hundreds of thousands danced in the streets. "Now we are Iraqis," a young man had shouted in Sulaimaniyah over the celebratory honking of car horns. "I can study in Baghdad. I can travel. I can join the world," he added, echoing others who said they were celebrating not only the fall of a hated oppressor but the end of their seclusion. Seven months on there has been little reintegration. Prospering from increased security and trade, Kurdistan remains an entity unto itself, detached from the crisis gripping the rest of Iraq. Though the violence in the south is a topic of conversation, Kurds see it as "their" problem. Though less inclined to conspiracy theories than many Middle Eastern people, they ask if the Americans are stupid, or really want it to go so badly. "Us" meets "them" only in "newly-liberated" Kirkuk, Khanaqin, and to a lesser extent Mosul and the towns and villages in between. These traditionally Kurdish areas lay outside the "green line" separating the self-governing governorates from the rest of Iraq after 1991. But they were always seen as Kurdish, separated from the rest only by the force of the regime.

224 posted on 04/27/2004 11:24:40 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: WOSG
"there is no link between Saddam and 9/11" administration in particular Bush has not said that, they said there was "no evidence of a 9/11 link"

The Weakly Standard is a perfect magazine for you. Will you be voting for Kerry in November as well?

225 posted on 04/27/2004 11:24:57 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Chalabi Republicans: Soft on Treason)
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To: billbears
The Weekly Standard and National Review are not magazines I would consider part of the media.

That's odd. You must have an awfully pathological definition of "media". Under the normal definition, all magazines are "media".

227 posted on 04/27/2004 11:26:07 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan
It's hard to admit when you're wrong, and they've been wrong for so long that their entire reputations at FR at staked on it.

I guess they also think Saddam didn't mean it when he sent his intelligence agents out to meet with OBL as mentioned in one of the many links above. LOL
228 posted on 04/27/2004 11:27:38 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Don't believe the Kurds? Try the U.S. Army.

In a press conference Friday, Lt. Gen. David McKiernan, commander of land forces in Iraq, said that under the directive there "will be no militias inside of Iraq," but added that the Kurdish pesh merga forces "are a different story." "The pesh mergas fought with coalition forces and we look to leave them with some of their forces north of the green line." He was referring to the line that once divided the Kurds in two self-governing enclaves in the north from the Iraq that was under the control of Saddam Hussein.

229 posted on 04/27/2004 11:27:59 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: WOSG
I've provided him with NYT and Newsweek articles too but he doesn't believe those either.

So he doesn't believe the leftist articles. He doesn't believe the conservative articles. He doesn't believe Saddam's own words when he sent his intelligence agents out to meet with OBL and mentioned it in his newspaper. He doesn't believe satellite photos of Salmon Pac. He doesn't believe the president, vice president, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice, et al. Everyone is lying and wrong. Everyone except him.
230 posted on 04/27/2004 11:30:04 AM PDT by Peach
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To: cake_crumb
Having seen a lot more information regarding Iran & Iraq - and terrorism in general during my service in the 1980's than "the average person" - I would wholeheartedly agree with your assessment.
231 posted on 04/27/2004 11:31:11 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: Peach
From your posted article:

Under an 11-year-old arrangement after the Persian Gulf War, the PUK and a rival Kurdish faction control three semi-autonomous provinces in northern Iraq.

232 posted on 04/27/2004 11:31:23 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
Now, now. DOn't cherry pick from the article.

You've conveniently skipped this little tidbit which is just another nail in the coffin of your spin:

"A new report in the New Yorker magazine suggests that Iraqi intelligence has been in close touch with top officials in Osama bin Laden‘s al Qaeda group for years, and that the two organizations jointly run a terrorist organization that operates in the Kurdish area of northern Iraq."
233 posted on 04/27/2004 11:33:13 AM PDT by Peach
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To: JohnGalt
Are you (or your family) more statistically likely to be harmed by an A-rab terrorist or an "undocumented worker", to use the euphemism of the day?

Crafty question, but it's meaningless. Statistically speaking, we should be at war with AUTOMOBILES, if we asked the question like that. Here's a better: which of those two groups would more likely kill you because you are an American?

234 posted on 04/27/2004 11:33:14 AM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: JohnGalt
[What the thread is about, is links to AL QAEDA not to "9.11".] No, its about links to Ansar al-Islam.

For crying out loud. A subsidiary of AQ. Nice try.

Anyway, let's pretend you're right it's about links to "Ansar al-Islam not Al Qaeda". Then why in the heck did you bring up "9.11"?

235 posted on 04/27/2004 11:36:42 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Peach
Look, Peach - I don't know why you are trying so hard to argue with a position I'm not taking. Must be easier than arguing with one that I am.

If there is proof - not association - of SH running the Ansar camp, fine. People have been asserting that for two years, but they haven't proven it yet. My position is that the "information" in the posted article - that the Jordan terrorist got training or hooked up with Zarqawi in Iraq - does not constitute proof of Baghdad's involvement because Baghdad did not control the area where Ansar was HQ'd. That's it. I'm not arguing about other proof, and you aren't presenting any. But the posted article at the top of the thread does not even begin to provide the kind of "vindication" you are crowing about.

236 posted on 04/27/2004 11:39:40 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: Peach
Look, Peach - I don't know why you are trying so hard to argue with a position I'm not taking. Must be easier than arguing with one that I am.

If there is proof - not association - of SH running the Ansar camp, fine. People have been asserting that for two years, but they haven't proven it yet. My position is that the "information" in the posted article - that the Jordan terrorist got training or hooked up with Zarqawi in Iraq - does not constitute proof of Baghdad's involvement because Baghdad did not control the area where Ansar was HQ'd. That's it. I'm not arguing about other proof, and you aren't presenting any. But the posted article at the top of the thread does not even begin to provide the kind of "vindication" you are crowing about.

237 posted on 04/27/2004 11:39:44 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: Peach
"So many trolls. So little time"

You should use that as a tag line! :):)

Be Ever Vigilant!

Later.....
238 posted on 04/27/2004 11:40:06 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
Shock and awe time in Fallujah. Tune into FNC now.

Off this thread for quite a while, I think.
239 posted on 04/27/2004 11:42:25 AM PDT by Peach
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To: lugsoul
lugsoul:

Please differentiate me from your other correspondents and address me directly (if at all), because I am NOT here claiming (as others are trying to do) that Saddam indeed "controlled" the area of Iraq in which the A-a-I base was set up.

Because, you see, I consider whether he "controlled" that area to be a *straw man*.

I'll grant you for the sake of argument that Saddam Hussein's forces didn't "control", militarily, or otherwise, the zone in which that base was located. That is was something of a lawless zone (because let's face it, it wasn't "controlled" by the Kurdish military either - are you claiming that it was? if it had been, the Kurds would have wiped out the camp - which contained their enemies you see - themselves).

Here's what you are missing however: the fact that Saddam's troops didn't "control" the region containing the camp, doesn't mean he didn't support it, monetarily, logistically, with personnel, etc.

The fact that something is in a lawless zone outside a region Saddam has "control" over, doesn't mean Saddam would not have been able to set up, or (more likely) encourage the creation of, a camp there. It especially doesn't mean Saddam would not have been able to support it financially, logistically, or with personnel.

In fact, as I said, if he *were* going to set up, or encourage to be set up, a camp of proxy jihadi warriors, a "no-fly zone" nominally out of his "control" would be the IDEAL place to do it.

He's not gonna let them set up camp in downtown Baghdad for crying out loud. See my point?

240 posted on 04/27/2004 11:42:48 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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