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Marines Want Their .45s Back
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| April 23, 2004
Posted on 04/23/2004 4:21:45 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: FreedomPoster
You're just evil. There are times when evil is A Good Thing; this is one of them. Oh, very well, I admit it; I'm evil. Wanna go to Afghanistan and help me set a few land mines around a mosque?
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posted on
04/24/2004 3:05:53 AM PDT
by
archy
(The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Possibly after I retired (1986). If it is the one Im thinking of, I havent seen them around here. Isnt that more of a tactical entry weapon than a standard issue?
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posted on
04/24/2004 3:18:44 AM PDT
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: Jagdgewehr
Local police had been using the local indoor range I belong to until their new range was finished. It was downright scary at times.
The older cops were pretty good - and safe to be around. One was a woman in her 40s - great shooter. Others were
frightening. One young man in full tactical gear was blazing away and was excited because he actually hit paper at 25 feet - and he burned up the full high capacity mag to do it.
It got to the point that when some of the cowboys came in I left. Several times the overhead return cables were severed.
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posted on
04/24/2004 3:24:46 AM PDT
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: steplock
I think it was more a supply decision than a PC decision. The men carried the .45 and the women carried the .38 revolver. That required every MP company to supply and maintain both weapons. Some of the women MPs I knew prefered the .45 - but regulations are regulations.
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posted on
04/24/2004 3:28:18 AM PDT
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: archy
I wanna be the guy throwing the 105 rounds into the breech in the AC-130. That's some serious plinking.
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posted on
04/24/2004 3:31:36 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
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To: BooBoo1000
When I first picked up my .44 it would get a reaction from other shooters - Whos got the cannon!. The only piece I know of that has a greater muzzle blast was a .50 auto. That was a cannon - and it actually had a noticeable kick.
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posted on
04/24/2004 3:32:24 AM PDT
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: Travis McGee
A lot of people put the little .22 down - but its the favored weapon of the professional assassin.
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posted on
04/24/2004 3:36:19 AM PDT
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: AnAmericanMother
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To: Mulder
*There is really no such thing as a "one shot stop" for a combat pistol round*
You're kidding, right? Either that, or you know absolutely nothing about firearms.
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posted on
04/24/2004 3:43:58 AM PDT
by
A Jovial Cad
("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
To: Cannoneer No. 4
Noses are not the body part I usually hear compared to opinions. And what would that other part be? :-)
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posted on
04/24/2004 4:17:06 AM PDT
by
SLB
("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
To: VOA
Great link! Thank you, sir.
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posted on
04/24/2004 4:35:37 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
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To: 45Auto
I just wonder what prompted the U S military establishment to scrap the Model of 1911A1 .45 ACP in favor of the Beretta.
9mm was mandated for NATO ammunition compatibility.
...since earlier we had persuaded NATO to adopt the 7.62 x 54 (.308 Win), then promptly switched to the 5.56 mm in the M 16 format and told Nato to go hell...
Actually, NATO has now adopted the 5.56mm as standard. We gave up the .45, they gave up the .308. We ended up with the smaller cartridge choices predominantly for weight reasons.
...Beretta slides cracking...
Only the first series had this flaw. Beretta corrected the problem quickly and it has not been seen since.
Also, Beretta has a manufacturing facility in Maryland to satisfy DOD requirements and concerns over foreign manufacture.
To: USMCVet
I said in my post that it might include administrative costs, but that still means $1,727 per pistol. You don't think the secretaries, bureaucrats, and bookkeepers are going along with the pistols, do you? $1.9 million for 1,100 pistols is steep, no matter how you slice it.
Besides, with the ball ammo that the military has to use, .45 stopping power isn't that much better than 9mm. We'd be much better off replacing the M16, which really lacks stopping power.
To: cavtrooper21
LOL - I thought I was the only one who did that!
"Honey, I really need a rifle to go hunting with Hugh at his lease." A very nicely-refinished Stg58-based FAL is the result.
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posted on
04/24/2004 4:50:28 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
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To: Squantos; spodefly
Usually these threads have good informationI agree with good information, but logic sometimes is thrown out. Like using the .50 Desert Eagle as a "standard" hand gun. How many "Joes" coming in off the street could qualify? I would venture not many could do so.
Up a few posts, spodefly recommends using CorBon +p 125gr JHP rounds. If the military is stuck on the 9mm why not try something on this line? What is prevent care packages from home from including a box or two of these little goodies?
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posted on
04/24/2004 4:57:20 AM PDT
by
SLB
("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
To: Travis McGee
I tend to go revolvers, to minimize the screw up under sudden stress factor, since I don't shoot as much as I should.Me, too. I should be out shooting right now instead of sitting on my fourth point of contact pecking away at my keyboard. Few of us get to shoot as often as is necessary to maintain the skills we once had.
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posted on
04/24/2004 5:20:08 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: Batrachian
A young friend of the family who served in Iraq last year with the 1st Marine Division carried a newer version of the 1911 with a two inch longer barrel. The increased muzzle velocity, even with ball ammunition gave it truly awesome stopping power.
To: Cannoneer No. 4
What our MARINES want they should have. If they want to borrow mine I'll loan it to them. But to any ANTI gun #!! $%^&* who may be spying this is not an invation to you!
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posted on
04/24/2004 5:43:30 AM PDT
by
JOE43270
(JOE43270)
To: R. Scott
M11's came in around 1991, I think, and were supposed to go to the same people who used to be issued revolvers: aviators, female MP's, CID. Tankers were supposed to get them, too.
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posted on
04/24/2004 6:22:11 AM PDT
by
Cannoneer No. 4
(I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
To: cavtrooper21
The 9mm, or your Sig 357 still has yet to be proven as good a "one shot stop" round in ball ammo as the .45 ACP. All the other fancy "hollow points" and "rapid expansion" rounds are just neat, but sometimes they don't work or fail to feed properly. I just felt your characterization of .357 as having no more stopping power than 9mm was not necessarily on the mark.
Personally, I agree with you about .45 being the best. That's why my carry gun for many years has been a Glock model 30, with 10 rounds of .45
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posted on
04/24/2004 6:28:23 AM PDT
by
SauronOfMordor
(That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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