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Kerry Bronze Star Certificate signature questioned. Investigation warranted?
Kerry's PDF Military Files on his Website ^ | 4-15-04 | me

Posted on 04/22/2004 10:49:24 AM PDT by moondoggie

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To: kabar
Nope, the Silver Star citation is significantly different.
241 posted on 04/22/2004 7:03:43 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly ... But Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS press corpse lies every day.)
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To: kabar
Nice work, good job!
242 posted on 04/22/2004 7:03:44 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Riley
I knew Kerry from when he was 19, at Yale. I saw him debate in the Yale Political Union. I was then an officer of the Union and a veteran debater. In the Union, he was a hard-wired liberal from day one. He was also arrogant and gull of himself. (How little things have changed since then.)

Of course, political opportunism may have been involved there, too. President of the Union was a big deal -- that plus a few years of sucking up may have led to Kerry's being "tapped" by Skull & Bones. And what were the internal politics of the Union?

It had, then, four parties -- Party of the Right, Conservatives, Liberal and Party of the Left. The first and last were small and not very influential. The first were monarchists, in essence, and the second were communists, in essence. The route to become President of the Union was not through either of those Parties.

Instead, someone aiming for President of the Union would become either a Conservative or Liberal Party member and then officer. And of the two, the one with more members and therefore more votes for President was the Liberals.

This discussion of signatures on Kerry military documents is in line with my experience with the "gentleman" from early on. He is a cagy opportunist.

Congressman Billybob

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243 posted on 04/22/2004 7:04:25 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Interesting Times
I don't find any reference to Kerry's Bronze Star in his Senate testimony on April 22, 1971, though Senator Symington brings up the Silver Star and the three Purple Hearts.

Now that is interesting

244 posted on 04/22/2004 7:04:31 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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To: Mo1
You can check the DD-214. It is prepared on his discharge in 1970, long before Lehman became SecNav
245 posted on 04/22/2004 7:04:52 PM PDT by kabar
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To: William Tell
No...I was quoting another poster from another board.
246 posted on 04/22/2004 7:06:50 PM PDT by bluecollarman
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Not according to what I am reading. I printed out copies. What are the significant differences?
247 posted on 04/22/2004 7:07:11 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Ramius
Yours was a very thoughtful post, covering both possible outcomes of this active discussion. And I agree with both of the points you make so clearly.

John / Billybob

248 posted on 04/22/2004 7:08:34 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Maigrey
Thanks to 3 great docs at Walter Reed his scar(from eye to nostril) will be barely noticeable....

Im suspicious of anything military related with Kerry, especially after his bacitracin PH's.
249 posted on 04/22/2004 7:08:44 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Mike1sg is coming home this week!)
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To: kabar
That's what I thought was maybe he threw them away... When did he first run for office???? Could it be that he wanted the copies again at THAT time, which may coincide with Lehman's tenure as Sec. of Navy???
250 posted on 04/22/2004 7:10:52 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: deport
CLICK

John Kerry's Vietnam Service Record:

February 18, 1966 – Kerry formally enlists in the U.S. Navy

August 22, 1966 – Kerry reports for Naval Officer Candidate School at the U.S. Naval Training Center in Newport, Rhode Island

December 16, 1966 – Kerry receives commission as an Ensign

January 3, 1967 – Kerry reports for duty at the Naval Schools Command at Treasure Island (CA)-Takes 10 week Officer Damage Control Course

March 22, 1967 – Reports to U.S. Fleet Anti-Air Warfare Training Center (CA). Receives training as a Combat Information Center Watch Officer.

June 8, 1967 – Kerry reports to USS Gridley-serves in several capacities

February 9, 1968 – USS Gridley departs for a Western Pacific (WESTPAC) deployment, to engage in operations in support of the Vietnam War. Ship spends time in the Gulf of Tonkin off North Vietnam, at Subic Bay in the Philippines and in Wellington, New Zealand

February 10, 1968 – Kerry requests duty in Vietnam He lists his first preference for a position as an officer in charge of a Swift Boat (designated PCF for Patrol Craft Fast), his second as an officer in a patrol boat (designated PBR, for Patrol Boat River) squadron

May 27, 1968 – USS Gridley sets sail for the US

June 6, 1968 – Kerry arrives in Long Beach the day after Senator Robert F. Kennedy is killed in Los Angeles

June 16, 1968 – Kerry promoted to Lieutenant, Junior Grade

July 20, 1968 – Kerry leaves Gridley for specialized training at the Naval Amphibious Base in Coronado, CA in preparation for service as commander of a Swift Boat. These unarmored, but heavily armed, fifty foot aluminum hulled patrol boats depended on speed and agility when engaging the enemy.

November 17, 1968 – Upon completion of his training, Kerry reports for duty to Coastal Squadron 1, Coastal Division 14, Cam Ranh Bay, South Vietnam.

December 1968 through January 1969 – Kerry commands PCF-44

December 2, 1968 – Kerry experiences first intense combat; receives first combat related injury.

December 6, 1968 – Kerry moved to Coastal Division 11 at An Thoi on Phu Quoc Island

December 13, 1968 – Kerry moved to Coastal Division 13, Cam Ranh Bay

December 24, 1968 – Kerry involved in combat during the Christmas Eve truce of 1968. The truce was three minutes old when mortar fire exploded around Lieutenant Kerry and his five-man crew. Reacting swiftly, John Kerry and his crew silenced the machine gun nest

January 22, 1969 – Kerry and other Swift boat commanders travel to Saigon for meeting with Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, Commander Naval Forces Vietnam (COMNAVFORV), and Gen. Creighton Abrams, Commander United States Military Assistance Command Vietnam (COMUSMACV)

Late January, 1969 – Kerry joined his 5 man crew on PCF-94

Late January through Early March, 1969 – Starting in late January 1969, this crew completed 18 missions over an intense and dangerous 48 days, almost all of them in the dense jungles of the Mekong Delta. Kerry's crew included engineman Eugene Thorson, later an Iowa cement mason; David Alston, then the crew's only African-American and today a minister in South Carolina; petty officer Del Sandusky of Illinois; rear gunner and quartermaster Michael Medeiros of California; and the late Tom Belodeau, who joined the crew fresh out of Chelmsford High School in Massachusetts. Others rotated in and out of the crew. The most intense action came during an extraordinary eight days of more than 10 firefights, remembered by Kerry's crew as the "days of hell."

February 20, 1969 – Kerry and crew involved in combat; Kerry receives second combat injury – Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a shrapnel wound in his left thigh.

February 28, 1969 – For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong insurgents in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 28 February 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94 and Officer in Tactical Command of a three-boat mission. As the force approached the target area on the narrow Dong Cung River, all units came under intense automatic weapons and small arms fire from an entrenched enemy force less than fifty-feet away. Unhesitatingly, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered his boat to attack as all units opened fire and beached directly in front of the enemy ambushers. The daring and courageous tactic surprised the enemy and succeeded in routing a score of enemy soldiers. The PCF gunners captured many enemy weapons in the battle that followed. On a request from U.S. Army advisors ashore, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered PCFs 94 and 23 further up river to suppress enemy sniper fire. After proceeding approximately eight hundred yards, the boats again were taken under fire from a heavily foliated area and B-40 rocket exploded close aboard PCF-94; with utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed. The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission. His actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

March 13, 1969 – For heroic achievement while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong communist aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 13 March 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94, one of five boats conducting a SEA Lords operation in the Bay Hap River. While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated wounding Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in the right arm. In addition, all units began receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry discovered he had a man overboard, he returned upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both banks.  Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain and with disregard for his safety, he pulled the man aboard. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry then directed his boat to return and assist the other damaged boat to safety. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry’s calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry is authorized to wear the Combat “V”.

March 17, 1969 – The policy of Coastal Squadron One, the swift boat command, was to send home any individual who is wounded three times in action. After sustaining his third wound from enemy action in Vietnam, Kerry was granted relief under this policy.

Early April, 1969 – Kerry departs Vietnam

April 11, 1969 – Kerry reports for duty at the Military Sea Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet in Brooklyn, NY.

January 1, 1970 – Kerry promoted to (full) Lieutenant

January 3, 1970 – Kerry requests discharge

March 1, 1970 – Kerry’s date of separation from Active Duty

April 29, 1970 – Kerry listed as Registrant who has completed service

[Source: Boston Globe, “John Kerry, the Making of a Candidate”, 6/15/03-6/21/03; Tour of Duty by Douglas Brinkley, Published by William Morrow 2003; Selective Service System, National Headquarter]

251 posted on 04/22/2004 7:11:24 PM PDT by deport (To a dog all roads lead home.......)
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To: William Tell
I notice that both Hyland and Lehman signed for the President for the Silver Star.
252 posted on 04/22/2004 7:12:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thank you sir.

This is ground on which we must tread very lightly. The implications-- in both directions-- are ugly.
253 posted on 04/22/2004 7:14:01 PM PDT by Ramius ([...sip...])
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To: Interesting Times
I wonder what things would have been like back then if they had known how serious Kerry's Nam injuries were that resulted in him getting purlple hearts.
254 posted on 04/22/2004 7:14:24 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: SC Swamp Fox

Kerry's:


255 posted on 04/22/2004 7:16:02 PM PDT by idkfa
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To: mystery-ak
Did you see Brit show the clip from the Daily Show tonight?? Jon Stewart showed the excerpt where it said baccitracin was applied to the laceration but said Kerry got more embarassed when the doctors final comment came to light... "Snoopy band-aid was demanded!!"

Very John F'ing funny!!!
256 posted on 04/22/2004 7:16:40 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Hand em their arse
Exactly. Kerry ran for Deputy Governor under Dukakis and then ran for Senator in 1984. Lehman was SecNav at the time. I think it would really be interesting to find out why Kerry requested them. He has denied that he threw his own medals away, only some medals for some friends and his ribbons. It would not play well politically to find out that he indeed did throw away his medals, since he has now become a proud war hero.
257 posted on 04/22/2004 7:16:48 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
I disagree:

The words are the same, but every sentence is different. every phrase is different.

The second "award" has been completely rewritten, but was clearly copied from the first.

But, while copied from the first, it was SIGNIFICANTLY "enhanced":

Compare the last two sentences:

From the first award, itself being written many years AFTER he left Vietnam!

"His actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

(Yawn....)

Now, immediately ABOVE Lehman's signature ten years later, when Kerry was routinely running for office (and apparently trying to impress HIMSELF): "By his brave action, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

(WAHOO! Stand up! Take notice! Salute the flag!)
258 posted on 04/22/2004 7:16:57 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly ... But Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS press corpse lies every day.)
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To: Ramius
Excellent post, I agree with you 100%
259 posted on 04/22/2004 7:17:30 PM PDT by MJY1288 (On Paper, John Kerry is the Perfect Candidate, His Record Shows he's Been all Things to all People)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
A replacement medla DOES NOT change teh award.

I seem to be missing your point .. I wasn't questioning the medal award itself.

260 posted on 04/22/2004 7:19:07 PM PDT by Mo1 (Make Michael Moore cry.... DONATE MONTHLY!!!)
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