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GI Killed As Troops Deploy Outside Najaf
AP ^ | Tue, Apr 13, 2004 | DENIS D. GRAY

Posted on 04/13/2004 6:13:20 AM PDT by Eurotwit

NAJAF, Iraq - A 2,500-strong U.S. force, backed by tanks and artillery, pushed to the outskirts of the Shiite holy city of Najaf on Tuesday for a showdown with a radical cleric. Near Fallujah, a U.S. military helicopter crashed, and an insurgent said he shot it down with a rocket-propelled grenade.

The Marines confirmed a Sikorsky H-53 helicopter was down, although there was no immediate word on casualties.

An Associated Press reporter saw it burning 12 miles east of Fallujah in the village of Zawbaa. U.S. troops trying to reach the downed aircraft were attacked by gunmen, the reporter said. Witnesses said four U.S. soldiers were shot by insurgents.

One of about a dozen insurgents near the site said he shot the chopper down with a rocket-propelled grenade, although he and the others could not get close enough to the wreckage to search for victims.

On Monday, meanwhile, Gen. John Abizaid, the top commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, said he has asked Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to adjust the U.S. troop rotation into and out of Iraq (news - web sites) this spring so that U.S. commanders can have the use of perhaps 10,000 more soldiers than they otherwise would have.

On the way to Najaf, the U.S. force's 80-vehicle convoy was ambushed Monday night by gunmen firing small arms and setting of roadside bombs north of the city. One soldier was killed and an American civilian contractor was wounded, officers in the convoy said.

The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, said their mission was to "capture or kill" radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Units set up a cordon on approaches to the city, barring militiamen from leaving.

Iraqi leaders launched hurried negotiations aimed at averting a U.S. assault on the city, site of the holiest Shiite site, the Imam Ali Shrine.

The sons of Iraq's three grand ayatollahs — including the most powerful one, Ali al-Husseini al-Sistani — met al-Sadr Monday night in his Najaf office and assured him of their opposition to any U.S. strike.

"They agreed not to allow any hostile act against Sayyed Moqtada al-Sadr and the city of Najaf," said a person at the meeting, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The delegation also was reportedly trying to work out a compromise to prevent a U.S. attack.

Col. Dana J.H. Pittard, the commander of the force, said his troops were aware that a "single shot in Najaf" by U.S. soldiers could outrage Iraq's powerful Shiite majority.

"Look at this as the Shiite Vatican (news - web sites)," Pittard said before the deployment.

The grand ayatollahs — older, moderate leaders with immense influence among Shiites — have long kept the young, fiercely anti-American al-Sadr at arm's length. The dispatch of the delegation reflected the eagerness to avoid bloodshed in Najaf and the new influence that the uprising by the al-Mahdi Army's militia has brought al-Sadr.

In a concession to American demands, al-Sadr ordered his militiamen out of police stations and government buildings in Najaf and the nearby cities of Karbala and Kufa. Police were back in their stations and on patrols, while al-Sadr black-garbed gunmen largely stayed out of sight.

But the militia rebuffed a U.S. demand to disband.

Earlier Tuesday, al-Sadr militiamen based in the main mosque in the nearby city of Kufa opened fire on a passing patrol of Spanish forces, prompting a short gunbattle.

Overnight, a mortar was fired at the Spanish base between Kufa and Najaf, and Spanish forces repelled an attack on a nearby water distillation plant.

While a cease-fire has kept Fallujah relatively calm for four days, the area between the besieged city and Baghdad has seen heavy clashes by insurgents and U.S. forces. An Apache helicopter was shot down Sunday in nearby Abu Ghraib, killing its two crewmembers.

Before Tuesday's helicopter crash, a U.S. convoy was attacked near the same site, and two Humvees and a truck were burning, said witnesses, who also reported U.S. casualties.

The U.S. military said about 70 Americans and 700 insurgents had been killed this month, the bloodiest since the fall of Baghdad a year ago with U.S.-led forces fighting on three fronts: against Sunni insurgents in Fallujah, Shiite militiamen in the south and gunmen in Baghdad and on its outskirts.

More than 600 Iraqis have been killed in Fallujah since the siege began on April 5, said the head of the city hospital, Rafie al-Issawi. Most of the dead registered at hospitals and clinics were women, children and elderly, he said.

In all, about 880 Iraqis have been killed in the violence, according to an AP count based on statements by Iraqi hospital officials, U.S. military statements and Iraqi police.

Another toll from the week's violence: more than 40 foreigners reportedly were taken hostage by insurgents, although a dozen had been released Sunday and Monday. Those still believed held included three Japanese and truck driver Thomas Hamill of Macon, Miss., whose captors had threatened to kill them.

Four Italians working as private guards for DTS Security, a U.S. company, were reported missing in Iraq, the ANSA news agency quoted the Foreign Ministry as saying Tuesday. An Arab satellite TV network said the four were kidnapped by insurgents near Fallujah and showed video of them in a room surrounded by gunmen wearing Arab headscarves.

Eight Ukrainian and Russian employees of a Russian energy company who were kidnaped in Baghdad were freed Tuesday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said. Seven Chinese were freed Monday after being held for a day, China's official news agency said. Two reportedly were injured.

Two U.S. soldiers and seven employees of a U.S. contractor, including Hamill, were missing after an attack Friday on a convoy west of Baghdad, Sanchez said.

The recent burst of violence has exposed weaknesses in Iraq's U.S.-trained security forces. A battalion of the Iraqi army refused to fight in Fallujah, Sanchez said. And some police defected to al-Sadr's forces, Abizaid said.

In an effort to toughen the Iraqi forces, Abizaid said the U.S. military will reach out to former senior members of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s disbanded army — a reversal in strategy. The military has tried to avoid relying on top officials from the ousted regime.

"It's ... very clear that we've got to get more senior Iraqis involved — former military types involved in the security forces," he said. "In the next couple of days, you'll see a large number of senior officers being appointed to key positions in the ministry of defense and the Iraqi joint staff and in Iraqi field commands."

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AP correspondents Abdul Hussein Yousef in Najaf and Abdul-Qader Saadi in Fallujah contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; muslims; najaf
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1 posted on 04/13/2004 6:13:20 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
I am sorry to hear that ANY soldiers or American civilians are killed ... however is the media aware of MORE people are killed on a daily basis than this? I believe the media is doing its best to highlight this and exaggerate that troops are demoralized to dethrone Bush. Bush has made it clear that he wants these people defeated and the media is trying its best to make Bush look unsuccessful at this. I believe it is because Bush is being successful that we have these people lashing out so violently. They are so desperate that they are kidnapping Americans and others to make them stop fighting.
2 posted on 04/13/2004 6:22:46 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Eurotwit
It sounds to me like we have them on the ropes right now. It is a target-rich environment. They chose to change tactics, to stand and fight...always a mistake when you are facing an overwhelming foe.

Someone must have told them that Clinton was back in office.

3 posted on 04/13/2004 6:23:23 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Eurotwit
AP correspondents Abdul Hussein Yousef in Najaf and Abdul-Qader Saadi in Fallujah contributed to this report.
4 posted on 04/13/2004 6:25:12 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
Recall that AP was first on the scene to televise the Blackwater Massacre in Fallujah a couple weeks ago.

Surprised?
5 posted on 04/13/2004 6:27:53 AM PDT by Gefreiter
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To: Gefreiter
In fact, the AP crew was second. The first were, as it seems, AFP reporters. THe AP van arrived immediately after the explosion.
6 posted on 04/13/2004 6:31:07 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Redleg Duke
"It's ... very clear that we've got to get more senior Iraqis involved — former military types involved in the security forces," he said.

Shiites make up the majority, and it would've been in their favor to support our effort for the iraqi democracy. But now we are going to hire ex baathists (Sunnis) to operate the Iraqi military. That should put some pressure on the Shiites...

7 posted on 04/13/2004 6:50:01 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: Eurotwit
"The Marines confirmed a Sikorsky H-53 helicopter was down, although there was no immediate word on casualties"

How did a RPG bring down an H53? That doesn't seem right. Maybe it was a Cobra or UH1, but not a Sea Stallion or Pave Low???
8 posted on 04/13/2004 7:08:13 AM PDT by astounded
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To: astounded
If a RPG can take out a tank, why wouldnt the same happen with a helicopter?
9 posted on 04/13/2004 7:21:44 AM PDT by konijn
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To: konijn
It's a big, big helicopter. Plus, I don't know that an RPG can take out an Abrams tank - damage it, yes. Destroy it? I don't think so, but could be wrong.
10 posted on 04/13/2004 8:29:31 AM PDT by astounded
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To: astounded; Cannoneer No. 4
An RPG can cause a mobility kill, but not kill the crew. Cannoneer, could you please elaborate?
11 posted on 04/13/2004 9:25:43 AM PDT by Archangelsk
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To: Redleg Duke
"They chose to change tactics, to stand and fight...always a mistake when you are facing an overwhelming foe."

Sounds like the same statements made during Viet Nam. Underestimating an enemy is very dangerous

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

"Hence the saying: One may KNOW how to conquer without being able to DO it."

"There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare."

"Poverty of the State exchequer causes an army to be maintained by contributions from a distance. Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished."

"In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns."

"All warfare is based on deception."

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat."

"When the enemy is close at hand and remains quiet, he is relying on the natural strength of his position."

"When in difficult country, do not encamp. In country where high roads intersect, join hands with your allies. Do not linger in dangerously isolated positions."

Sun Tzu, the art of war.

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These quotes are over 2,400 years old, haven't we learned anything yet?

12 posted on 04/13/2004 9:26:29 AM PDT by Mikey
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To: Archangelsk; archy
An RPG could kill an Abrams crewman. Might even brew up the inside of the turret.

An RPG could knock down a CH-53. Both would be lucky shots.

Search keyword armor. There have been several discussions of mysterious holes appearing in our tanks.

13 posted on 04/13/2004 10:19:02 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Mikey
Sun Tzu sounds like quite a guy. More of our leaders should read him.
14 posted on 04/13/2004 11:07:38 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F
I don't know. I think the Chobom armor of the Abrams deflects the HE plasma jet of an RPG and the armor's geometry prevents the warhead from striking directly on any turret, hull or side skirting surface. On the other hand, a strike on an end connector or a center guide will definitely cause the tread to have a bad day.

Your thoughts?

15 posted on 04/13/2004 11:31:11 AM PDT by Archangelsk
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16 posted on 04/13/2004 11:32:45 AM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero, something's gonna happen..)
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To: Archangelsk
Here's Global Securities ppt on the subject.
17 posted on 04/13/2004 11:37:06 AM PDT by Archangelsk
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To: ZULU
It's required reading by every officer in the Army, and you will be asked for a report for it El-Tee at the next OPD session. :-)

The other two tomes for the wise armor officer are Clausewitz and Guderian (although for the life of me I can't understand why these two REMFs from defeated armies are held in such reverence).

18 posted on 04/13/2004 11:40:18 AM PDT by Archangelsk
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To: Archangelsk
Ping to this
19 posted on 04/13/2004 5:08:59 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Archangelsk
Also this
20 posted on 04/13/2004 5:14:56 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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