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This country became permanently divided during the Clinton administration, there are two entirely different major views (as well a a number of lesser ones) about what this country is and what is best for it. Whether as a result of Clinton's tenure, or just that he was in office during the the period that it happened (the division), or both, I don't know. But the division is permanent and irreconcilable.

Sadly, I have to concur. It's like you cannot have intelligent debate anymore. There is a rabid liberal view that if you say one peep against them, they shout you down like you're a Nazi or something. Sure there are principled liberals out there still that really believe what they believe due to their convictions and yes, we would not agree with them, but they are not rabid about it. I guess one person I can think up who's like that is Alan Colmes. You might not agree with him, but he is a nice guy and won't shout you down or parrot some line they picked up long ago from the 1960's. Heck, last year when Gulf War II started, there was a case here in Pittsburgh where somebody tossed a brick into the Marin Corp's recruiting office.

As I see more of this, I figure what's the use in talking to them. On another thread, I posted where either they will have to "grow up" and shed the rabid liberalism or learn it the hard way be having something happen to them. Other than that, I see the rabid liberals as mentally and spiritually dead. That may look and sound harsh but after bantering back and forth with them, I'm forced to come to that ocnclusion. There's no room for debate with them, they want 100% or they will keep pounding at you. I think we might become like the "new-Israelis" fighting for what is right somewhere down the road. I remember as far back as the 1970's, my fahter kept telling me that "America will have another Civil War and it will be in your lifetime." I think really three things accelarated that, one, Clinton, two, the 2000 election, and number three would be the War on Terrorism. I thought after 9-11, we would all get together but after a while, we are more divided then ever.

I thought after 9-11, we would all get together but after a while, we are more divided then ever.

My liberal co-worker hated it when 9-11 hapened, because it took so much ammo away from his liberal talking points. I remember there were several days where the liberals sparred among themselves to decide what should be the "intelligencia" position. They finally decided that we should unite against the evil of 9-11 but at the same time try to understand what it was we were doing that could make them hate us so much. (Remember, no real revenge, just self reflection.)

After a period, he went back to total liberal, opposed to war, and the Iraq war in particular, opposed to Israel, opposed to a strong military, and pro attempts to negotiate and appease the Islam radicals.

He still recognizes that we can no longer take the position that "we have no enemies" out there. And thus we can support the military again.

The second American civil war has already
begun in the Media. The objective is
to obtain control of the federal government
and the power therein. If the demokRatiks
ever succeed in disarming their opposition,
inconveniences like Constitutions and elections
can easily be dispensed with and
the killing can and will begin.

The Media is waging psychological
Warfare on you and on
the minds of your children day in
and day out.

The Media
is
"The Matrix"

Wake up Thomas,
wake up.