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To: Hodar
The Church is comprised entirely of mortals, humans. They err, they have erred, they will err.

You find it "fairly interesting" that they should look after the moral standing of the Church in this instance because they failed to do so in another. Which is it? Should the Church try to do the right thing or not?

The Church may properly lay claim to much of the moral advancement of the past millenium. The Church may also lay claim to a certain amount of the bloody mischief of that span of time. As human beings of a stripe they're doing a hell of a lot better than any other group, force or government, bar none.
30 posted on 04/08/2004 2:52:14 PM PDT by TalBlack ("Tal, no song means anything without someone else....")
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To: TalBlack
I didn't involve myself with when your church cares to do the right thing, that speaks for itself. Whether it should try to do the right thing should be obvious. I'm just injoying the pickle your own doctrine has you in - compromising doctrine and scripture in order not to give the appearance that pushing your claim where people would not welcome it. If it were a southamerican politician, I'm sure the Pope would have no problem with injecting himself there.
33 posted on 04/08/2004 3:30:19 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: TalBlack
Whoa, there.

To err, is to make a mistake, a momentarary lapse of judgement. That is an err.

To knowingly rape children, to threaten them with hell and damnation if they tell their parents is NOT an error. To then pronounce parents as "liars" and "rumor mongers" for having the audacity to believe their children is NOT an error.

To harbor, protect and move these degenerates from congregation to congregation is NOT an error. That is an abombination. There is a really big difference between an err, and raping a child.

As human beings of a stripe, have you considered the Buddists? No wars, no forced conversions, and no raping. Don't make claims that you simply cannot back up. Priests raping young children is not a fad that was picked up in the 1980's and 90's. It's been going on for centuries. And it's also not limited to the USA.

When I see a 'Church' give annullments to somebody who has been married for nearly 20 years, with 2 children; simply because he has money, I will point it out. When I see a church that forbids birth control in countries too poor to sustain their population, I point that out. When I see a hierarchy of Church officials abuse the trust placed in them, by hiding predators, I will point that out.

I had no problem condemning the Rev. Jim Bakker, Rev. Jim Jones, Rev. Jimmy Swaggert, and the Rev. Jesse Jackson. Putting on fancy clothes and talking to a group of people about God on Sunday, and living a Christian life are two very different things.
37 posted on 04/08/2004 6:07:06 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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