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Shiite cleric (al-Sadr) moves to sacred shrine
ABC News (Australia) ^ | 4.7.04

Posted on 04/06/2004 3:24:23 PM PDT by ambrose

Shiite cleric moves to sacred shrine

By Peter Cave in Baghdad

The Shiite cleric at the centre of an uprising by tens of thousands of his supporters across central and southern Iraq has reportedly moved from his headquarters in Kufa to one of the most sacred Shia shrines in the holy city of Najaf.

Moqtada al-Sadr is reportedly in the Imman Ali shrine, surrounded by thousands of armed supporters who have taken over religious, government and police buildings in the holy city.

Mr Sadr has been threatened with arrest for the murder of a rival cleric a year ago in an argument over the rightful possession of the shrine.

His followers have been involved in continuing clashes with coalition forces in many southern cities, including Nasiriyah where 15 have died in battles with Italian troops and Amara where 12 have died.

Bulgarian troops in Karbala came under attack with grenades and machine gun fire but no casualties were reported in the town, where Sadr supporters have taken over a number of public buildings.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsadr; bulgaria; iraq; mahdiarmy; muslims
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To: ambrose
Seems to me this is exactly the kind of situation the neutron bomb would be best suited for....
21 posted on 04/06/2004 3:34:40 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: ChinaThreat
LOL.
22 posted on 04/06/2004 3:35:19 PM PDT by Argus (Ceterum censeo Fallujam esse delendam.)
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To: ambrose
Moqtada al-Sadr is reportedly in the Imman Ali shrine, surrounded by thousands of armed supporters who have taken over religious, government and police buildings in the holy city.

This is a direct affront and challenge to the very purpose we are supposedly trying to accomplish in Iraq...the creation of a free and constitutional Iraqi government.

It cannot be allowed to stand anymore than the similar events in Fallujah. We either step up to the plate and pacify these insurgencies like al-Sadr with extreme prejudice, or we will embolden the terrorists, ba'athists, Islamic radical fundamentalists and all of their abettors and supporters...and we will let down the hopes of the millions in the majority who are watching and hoping that those who terrorize them can be put down (BTW, despite what O'Reilley and others say, there are hundreds of thousands of them joining in the fight with us).

In short, either we step up to the plate now...or we sow the seeds of our own ignanomous defeat IMHO.

23 posted on 04/06/2004 3:35:59 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Sender
A... definitely A. Then I'd do "C" on the broken remnants of the lamp just to be sure the wasp dead. Then I'd wait for other wasps to show up and I'd repeat all of the above.
24 posted on 04/06/2004 3:38:30 PM PDT by RUCKUS INC. ("Bartender can I get another round of Daisy Cutters and MOABS for my boys in the turbans...")
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To: ambrose
Kill him and the stinking shrine.
25 posted on 04/06/2004 3:38:47 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ambrose
PRAYER HALL PUTSCH!!
26 posted on 04/06/2004 3:39:05 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: ambrose
sacred shrine

There is nothing "sacred" but the life of a United States Marine. We should put 10,000 men around the mosque and storm it. The Islamic World be damned.

But we wont. We will continue to be squeamish about killing civis, politically correct about false "clerics" and mosques which they use as terror training camps. And our men will keep getting picked off while we agonize about stray bullets hitting little puppies and the opinion of the "Arab street". This is the disgusting little world of Paul "Pussy" Bremer. It is the world of quagmire, and weakness, and defeat. Bush had better realize this but fast, or he will be out of a job come November.

27 posted on 04/06/2004 3:40:04 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Paradox
"Send in some knockout gas"

What 'knockout' gas? The kind they used on Star Trek? Or the stuff the Russians used to gas (and kill) many terrorists and terrorist victims a few years ago? It was fentanyl gas.

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Anger grows over gas tactics

Monday, October 28, 2002 Posted: 6:30 PM EST (2330 GMT)

Russian anger builds over hostage gas deaths (October 28)

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Calls are growing in Russia for an investigation into why doctors were not provided an antidote to the gas used during an operation to free hostages held at a Moscow theatre.

Captors demanding an end to the war in Chechnya held about 800 hostages for 58 hours, killing two before Russian forces stormed the building early on Saturday.

Moscow's chief doctor said 115 hostages died from health problems stemming from the "knockout" gas pumped into the building to subdue the Chechen rebels just before the raid.

Alexei Arbatov, head of the Russian parliament's defence committee, told CNN: "I blame the authorities for not providing the doctors with antidotes and instructions on how to use them.

"That was certainly a great blunder, and many people are paying for that blunder with their health -- and some even with their life," he said.

Because Russian authorities refused to tell doctors what was used, doctors spent the first few hours testing various antidotes before they found something that worked. The situation has angered doctors and the public.

About 400 people remained hospitalised on Monday.

Anguished relatives have descended on Moscow hospitals, begging for news of their kin, while others have been scouring the city morgues.

Tatiana Lukashova's 26-year-old daughter, Masha Panova, was a hostage and is now missing.

Lukashova saw a broadcast on the ORT television station Saturday that showed her daughter lying on a mattress in a hospital corridor with an oxygen mask on.

"But we didn't hear what hospital it was, and our search through all the hospitals was in vain," Lukashova told Reuters.

One doctor expressed frustration at being powerless to help survivors. "I saw no gunshot wounds at all. Those who died had swallowed their vomit or their tongue or their hearts had stopped," he told the Nezavisimaya Gazet daily.

"If only we had known beforehand. If they had told us that... it might have been a bit different."

U.S. officials believe the gas may have contained a chemical building block also found in heroin or morphine-based agents. (Full story)

"Certainly there was a huge overdose because those who used it had to guarantee that even the terrorists sitting away from ventilation hatches would not have a chance to activate and explode the devices that they had," Arbatov said.

Medical officials pointed out that the hostages had been without food and drink for almost three days, and were virtually motionless in their chairs -- making them more vulnerable to the side effects of any gas used.

"All [this] took the toll on their physical and mental condition and clearly made them much more vulnerable to the agent," Arbatov said.

Survivor Andrei Naumov told CNN: "The gas used was without smell or taste and was invisible. Soon after it was pumped in, I lay on the floor and remember nothing after that -- I woke up in hospital.

"I think the terrorists were really serious about killing us. They knew they could not get away and they wanted to kill all the hostages.

"I will always remember that day, and always the remember the people who saved us. I thank them."

Moscow declared a day of mourning Monday, and President Vladimir Putin expressed his sorrow over the hostage deaths.

"We must remember those by uniting," he said.

But he also issued a defiant message to any others considering launching a similar action in Russia, telling government members: "International terrorism is increasingly cruel... if anyone tries to apply such means to our country, Russia will reply with measures adequate to the threats in all the locations of the terrorists, their organisations or their ideological and financial instigators."

28 posted on 04/06/2004 3:40:28 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: Jeff Head
If we're serious at all about what we're doing in Iraq, now is the time to show it. If we're not going to hit back because we're afraid of what the world will think, then bring 'em home.

Letting al-Sadr continue to order attacks on US servicemen from the safety of his coward's den should not be an option on the table.

29 posted on 04/06/2004 3:40:34 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: notorious vrc
Good idea. I'd forgotten about that. It would leave the precious mosque untouched.
30 posted on 04/06/2004 3:43:48 PM PDT by johnfrink
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To: Dutch Boy
So, in other words he is a coward. He lets others die while he hides in mosque. His people should rip him in pieces for his cowardness.

WE are the cowards...for failing to kill him as he exited the mosque. For failing to use overwhelming force and deal with the dead civis as the price of doing business. It makes me sick to see the IDF make our boys look like amateurs because the wussy DoD and Paul Bremer don't have the stomach to do what it takes. Take the ropes off our boys and they will finish the job.

By the way Paul, we are still waiting for that "overwhelming response" in Fallujah! And we don't mean arresting them and trying them in front of the Kozlowski Jury

31 posted on 04/06/2004 3:44:30 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Jeff Head
Jeff, you are one of the few who understands enough about war, and about the enemy, to appreciate that we can lose as well as win.
32 posted on 04/06/2004 3:45:22 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: johnfrink
Someone's already bombed it once. I wonder if al-Sadr would've been allowed to hide out there if Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim were still alive.
33 posted on 04/06/2004 3:47:57 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Bommer
Block it off, surround it and constantly throw tear gas into it until they run out of mask filters and they have to then come out either to surrender or die for the moon god.
34 posted on 04/06/2004 3:48:13 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ambrose
What was the name of superman's cocoon of safety?
35 posted on 04/06/2004 3:48:56 PM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: ambrose
Gawd, who the heck was that stoopid black guy on Fox just now? Ranting and raving about Bush wasn't prepared, Bush should have done more, it's all Bush's fault, blah, blah, blah.
36 posted on 04/06/2004 3:48:56 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: ambrose


37 posted on 04/06/2004 3:51:43 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: anniegetyourgun
My thoughts exactly. The neutron bomb would kill off the cockroaches while preserving the tile work, the only worthwhile thing the Middle East has contributed to the world (other than the accident of the oil under their land) in the past 500 years.
38 posted on 04/06/2004 3:51:54 PM PDT by HHFi
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To: ambrose
In my opinion, we are not going to kill or capture this guy even if we could. We are going to have to contain him and his influence somehow. Having 25% of the Shia population that supports him (+ those would would be sympathetic to him) explode in violence would cause us to loose the country IMO. That's why we haven't served him with the arrest warrant sooner. Now is an even less oportune time IMO.
39 posted on 04/06/2004 3:51:55 PM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: alloysteel
Kind of like a reality video game.

I'd call and order Pay-Per-View for Survivor: Najaf.

40 posted on 04/06/2004 3:55:44 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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