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Kerry's Other War Record (John Fund of WSJ targets VVAW Assassin Plot)
Wall Street Journal ^
| March 29th, 2004
| John Fund
Posted on 03/28/2004 10:36:11 PM PST by Sabertooth
Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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John Kerry mentions his service in Vietnam so frequently that it has become a running joke on the campaign press plane. He seldom if ever mentions his postwar activities as a national coordinator and principal spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a group he says he quit in 1971 because he was concerned about its radical agenda. One reason may be that a credibility gap has started to widen over his antiwar history, and he clearly doesn't want to discuss it at length. His campaign is issuing misleading and evasive statements on his antiwar service in a way that would do the Pentagon spinners of the Johnson and Nixon administrations proud.
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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: camil; darkplot; deweycanyoniii; fonda; geraldnicosia; hurley; janefonda; johnfund; johnhurley; johnmusgrave; kerry; kerry2004; kerryfbifiles; lipscomb; musgrave; nicosia; phoenixproject; scottcamil; vvaw; wintersoldier
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Mr. Kerry's campaign has done more than contradict itself. It has been in full coverup mode. < -snip- > The story is unlikely to go away completely. Last week Gerald Nicosia, the historian who first uncovered evidence the FBI tailed Mr. Kerry back in 1971, reported to police that three of the 14 boxes of the FBI files he obtained under the Freedom of Information Act were stolen from his California home and that other individual files from the remaining 11 boxes were also swiped, including documents about Mr. Kerry that Mr. Nicosia hadn't yet reviewed. "Those revelations are lost now, at least to me," Mr. Nicosia told the Associated Press. Someone, either friend or foe of Mr. Kerry, apparently knew what he was looking for.
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To: Sabertooth
This is starting to perculate.
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:37:47 PM PST
by
Texasforever
(I can’t kill enough brain cells to become a democrat just by drinking.)
To: Hon; Victoria Delsoul; doug from upland; OXENinFLA; Torie; VadeRetro; Hillary's Lovely Legs; ...
FYI
(let me know if you want on or off my VVAW ping list.)
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:38:30 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(< /Kerry>)
To: Sabertooth
Nontice now that they're coming out with a sex scandal again- anything to distract people from this VVAW thing? They can then harp on "it's all about sex" while avoiding the more important topic altogether.
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:39:40 PM PST
by
piasa
(Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
To: Sabertooth
BUMP for the Wall Street Journal.
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:41:00 PM PST
by
GeronL
(www.armorforcongress.com..... put a FReeper in Congress)
To: piasa
Yes and I hope we don't bite this time. This one story would sink any GOP candidate but it needs real focus to have any effect on Kerry.
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:42:25 PM PST
by
Texasforever
(I can’t kill enough brain cells to become a democrat just by drinking.)
To: Texasforever
This is starting to perculate. I want a full blown boil! GO WSJ!
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:47:27 PM PST
by
teletech
(Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
To: Sabertooth
This stuff needs to be investigated, collated and used as an October surprise, with it all coming out in one HUGE document drop.
It would be the height of stupidity to get it out now, or prior to the Dem Convention. And no one is going to be paying all that much attention ( except news junkies like us) until after Labor Day.
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:48:19 PM PST
by
nopardons
To: teletech
Give it time.
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:48:32 PM PST
by
Texasforever
(I can’t kill enough brain cells to become a democrat just by drinking.)
To: Sabertooth
They finally did it. A few days ago, I sent this info to a WSJ reporter with whom I have had contact. Too bad he couldn't talk about it on Drudge tonight.
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:49:46 PM PST
by
doug from upland
(Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
To: Sabertooth
Do you mean John Fund?
To: leadpenny
My eyes! My eyes!
To: Texasforever
This one story would sink any GOP candidate but it needs real focus to have any effect on Ker
Agreed. There are a few incontrovertible facts here, that need to be hammered: 1. The assassination of Senators was seriously debated by the VVAW elite in KC in 1971. 2. Kerry was present, and voted against it. However... 3. Kerry did not report the plot to the authorities, and... 4. Kerry has subsequently lied about his presence there on numerous occasions, and is now lying about not remembering being present at that meeting. And... 5. Kerry's campaing has contacted all of the eyewitnesses who placed him at the meeting to get them to change their stories. And... 6. His campaign is in ongoing contact with and is planning on working with the self-admitted architect of the plot, Scott Camil, who is now a Green Party activist in Florida. And... 7. FBI files pertinent to all of this that were obtained by pro-Kennedy Biographer Gerald Nicosia were stolen from his home last Thursday night, That's not taking into account any of Kerry's other VVAW activities, such as meeting with Madame Binh in Paris sometime prior to his Congressional testimony in 1971.
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:51:54 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(< /Kerry>)
To: Sabertooth
But he has "misremembered" a lot of key facts about the period.Bump
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:53:44 PM PST
by
PRND21
To: Sabertooth
Sabertooth, Thanks for keeping me informed. I'm rarely in a position to return the favor, yet you keep pinging me to the important stuff. I appreciate it, and will return the favor when I'm able.
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03/28/2004 10:53:48 PM PST
by
BykrBayb
(I'm going to steal my next tagline from someone's post.)
To: nopardons
This stuff needs to be investigated, collated and used as an October surprise, with it all coming out in one HUGE document drop.
That option was always risky, and moreso now with the burglary of Nicosia's FBI files on Kerry Thursday night. There is an active coverup, and the best defense against that is an active and ongoing exposure of all available facts. Waiting for a coup de grace is not an option. The key is focus and exposure. Peripheral theories and scandals need to fall by the wayside, otherwise everything looks like a fishing expedition.
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03/28/2004 10:57:36 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(< /Kerry>)
To: Sabertooth
That's not taking into account any of Kerry's other VVAW activities, such as meeting with Madame Binh in Paris sometime prior to his Congressional testimony in 1971. Now, who do you suppose might have a record of that meeting in their files? Likely detailed, too.
Guess who has the authority to release it. He doesn't need Kerry's permission, certainly.
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:57:52 PM PST
by
lavrenti
(I'm not bad, just misunderstood.)
To: doug from upland
"A few days ago, I sent this info to a WSJ reporter with whom I have had contact. "
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Excellent!
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:58:10 PM PST
by
FairOpinion
(Zell Miller (D):"I’m on George Bush’s side because he’s on the side of the American people.")
To: Sabertooth
Wall Street Journal, eh?
I KNEW this story had legs.
And now, those legs are getting longer and stronger.
;-D
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posted on
03/28/2004 10:58:34 PM PST
by
Judith Anne
(Is life a paradox? Well, yes and no...)
To: All
Radical Veteran Has Ties To Kerry [Camil... The 'Real Deal']
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Posted by johnny7 On 03/27/2004 4:14:39 AM PST with 12 comments
The Ledger ^ | Saturday, March 27, 2004 | BOB ARNDORFER Gainesville man stood trial as 1970s anti-war activist.GAINESVILLE -- ABC's "World News Tonight" hadn't finished before Gainesville resident Scott Camil's phone started ringing. Friends were calling to see if he had seen a Monday evening report about newly disclosed information that the FBI had kept tabs on Sen. John Kerry during his anti-war days in the early 1970s. The report included a passing reference to and a circa-1973 photo of Camil, who had met Kerry at national meetings of Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Citing Gerald Nicosia's 2001 book, "Home to War," the ABC report said that at a national...
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Pro-Kerry Historian: Kerry Lies About Anti-war Activities
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Posted by areafiftyone On 03/18/2004 6:35:35 AM PST with 5 comments
Newsmax ^ | 3/18/04 A Vietnam War historian and supporter of Democrat presidential candidate John Kerry has told CNSNews.com that Kerry is lying about key events related to his anti-war activities in 1971. Kerry said he hasn't spoken to former anti-war associate Al Hubbard since the two men appeared side by side on national television in April 1971, but according to author Gerald Nicosia, that assertion is wrong. So is Kerry's insistence that he did not attend a November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, at which group members discussed the possibility of assassinating U.S. senators who were still supporting the war...
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Kerry Lying About Anti-War Past, Supporter Alleges
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Posted by kattracks On 03/18/2004 2:58:03 AM PST with 114 comments
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 3/18/04 | Marc Morano (CNSNews.com) - A Vietnam War historian and supporter of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has told CNSNews.com that Kerry is lying about key events related to his anti-war activities in 1971. Kerry said he hasn't spoken to former anti-war associate Al Hubbard since the two men appeared side by side on national television in April 1971, but according to author Gerald Nicosia, that assertion is wrong. So is Kerry's insistence that he did not attend a November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), at which group members discussed the possibility of assassinating U.S. senators who were still...
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KERRY RETREATS FROM HIS DENIAL ON VIETNAM MEET - Evidence Puts Him At Kansas Parley
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Posted by kennedy On 03/19/2004 9:07:07 AM PST with 422 comments
New York Sun ^ | Mar 19, 2004 | JOSH GERSTEIN MILL VALLEY, Calif. Senator Kerry of Massachusetts yesterday retreated from his earlier steadfast denials that he attended a meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which a plan to assassinate U.S. Senators was debated. The reversal came as new evidence, including reports from FBI informants, emerged that contradicted Mr. Kerrys previous statements about the gathering, which was held in Kansas City, Mo. in November 1971. John Kerry had no personal recollection of this meeting 33 years ago, a Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, said in a statement e-mailed last night from Idaho, where Mr. Kerry is on vacation....
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Kerry hedges on 1971 KC meeting [for assassination plot]
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Posted by nwrep On 03/19/2004 8:38:34 PM PST with 72 comments
Knight Ridder ^ | March 19, 2004 | SCOTT CANON KANSAS CITY - (KRT) - Confronted with 32-year-old FBI records, Sen. John Kerry's campaign all but conceded he attended a 1971 Kansas City meeting where a fellow anti-war veteran called for political assassinations. Those active in Vietnam Veterans Against the War at the time stress that the suggestion for such a violent approach was angrily rejected. They say their memories do not include Kerry taking part in the radical discussion. A statement Thursday by Kerry's camp said the Massachusetts Democrat did not recall the meeting, although FBI surveillance material and the group's archives clearly show that Kerry resigned from his...
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CNN: Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s
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Posted by Oldeconomybuyer On 03/23/2004 5:18:04 AM PST with 52 comments
CNN ^ | 3-23-04 | From Phil Hirschkorn NEW YORK (CNN) -- John Kerry's combat experience in Vietnam is central to his bid to become the next commander-in-chief, but Kerry's outspoken opposition to that war drew the personal attention of the president of the United States and FBI agents 33 years ago, documents reviewed by CNN reveal. After Kerry became the national spokesman of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in 1971, he came under continued surveillance by the FBI, which filed thousands of pages of reports on the VVAW and Kerry himself. It was Kerry, the articulate Yale graduate and Navy lieutenant with three Purple Hearts for...
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The VVAW Assassination Discussion - "A lot of people were convinced that this was the way to do it."
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Posted by Hon On 03/24/2004 7:43:30 PM PST with 58 comments
March 25, 2004 | Compiled Sometime during a national meeting of the Vietnam Veterans Against The War (VVAW) held November 12-14, 1971 there was an intense "discussion" and vote on a plan offered by Scott Camil to assassinate top Congressional leaders who had voted to continue funding the war in Vietnam. There has been much discussion here and some in the media of this topic. The details are getting confused, and few people have seen any of the original source material. I first came upon the subject in early February when I was looking for information about Kerry in "Winter Soldiers," by Richard Staciewicz. The...
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FBI Papers on Kerry Stolen from Author
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Posted by rogueleader On 03/28/2004 12:00:14 AM PST with 9 comments
KCBS-740 AM ^ | Mar 27, 2004 | Sue McGuire (KCBS)--A North Bay man who had uncovered evidence the FBI (news - web sites) tailed presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) for months in 1971 says some of the files were stolen this week. Author Gerald Nicosia told police Friday that three of fourteen boxes of once secret FBI files he obtained through the Freedom of Information Act were taken from his Corte Madera home some time Thursday. He says investigators do not have much hope in finding the missing files. "They said it would be almost impossible to try to track fingerprints because we did have CNN...
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FBI Papers on Kerry Stolen from Marin County Author
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Posted by NYC Republican On 03/27/2004 6:44:41 PM PST with 16 comments
KPIX/KCBS/Yahoo News ^ | 3/26/04 | Sue McGuire North Bay man who had uncovered evidence the FBI (news - web sites) tailed presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) for months in 1971 says some of the files were stolen this week. Author Gerald Nicosia told police Friday that three of fourteen boxes of once secret FBI files he obtained through the Freedom of Information Act were taken from his Corte Madera home some time Thursday. He says investigators do not have much hope in finding the missing files. "They said it would be almost impossible to try to track fingerprints because we did have CNN people...
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Documents on FBI's surveillance of Kerry stolen (New Nicosia spin - GOP Coverup for Nixon?)
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Posted by Sabertooth On 03/28/2004 5:55:37 AM PST with 51 comments
CNN ^ | March 28th, 2004 Documents on FBI's surveillance of Kerry stolen Historian: 'Odds are in favor' of political motive in theft A decorated veteran, John Kerry became a spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Story Tools RELATED Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s YOUR E-MAIL ALERTS Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Vietnam John F. Kerry Richard Milhous Nixon or Create your own Manage alerts | (CNN) -- FBI documents detailing government surveillance of John Kerry in the early 1970s have been stolen from the home of a historian in a suburb of San Francisco, California.Gerald Nicosia, who spent more than...
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Author Reports Theft of Some of Kerry's FBI Files (New Info - New Spin)
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Posted by Sabertooth On 03/27/2004 8:47:20 AM PST with 78 comments
L.A. Times ^ | March 27th, 2004 | John Gilonna Nicosia said he suspected that the thieves were specifically in pursuit of the files because a camera and other expensive items in the home were left untouched. He added that he did not know exactly what material was taken because it was not cataloged or marked. Three of 14 boxes of files that had been stacked in his kitchen are missing. He said he was moving the remaining documents to a secure location Friday afternoon. Nicosia has not yet looked at all the files. Last week he allowed The Times to photocopy 50 pages concerning the FBI's monitoring of Kerry...
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posted on
03/28/2004 11:03:16 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(< /Kerry>)
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