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Radio search for ET draws a blank
BBC News Online ^ | Thursday, March 25, 2004 | By Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 03/28/2004 8:38:01 AM PST by Momaw Nadon

Astronomers have completed their most sensitive search yet for radio signals from intelligent life in space.

They believe the best way to find ET is to look for a radio signal. Such signals can travel vast distances.

The Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico, supported by Jodrell Bank, searched over a period of 10 years.

The scientists looked at 800 nearby stars with no evidence of a signal from ET. They say they have learned a lot, and plan another search next year.

From the ashes

The last star scrutinised by Project Phoenix - the most powerful search for intelligent life in space ever carried out - was HD 169882, a fairly ordinary star lying just 88 light-years away.

The result was that no signals indicative of an intelligent origin are coming from it, at least during the time it was observed.

So if there are any aliens on a planet circling that star then perhaps they are not interested in signalling, or are doing it in a way we cannot yet detect.

Project Phoenix was so-named because it rose from the ashes of a US space agency (NASA) initiative to search for intelligent life in space that was cancelled by US Congress in 1993.

Despite this setback, the scientists involved were determined to carry out their search.

"When the 'termination' order came from Washington, most of the equipment was on lab benches. We were immediately faced with three challenges: raise private money, get NASA to loan us the equipment and get it working," Peter Backus, project manager for Phoenix, told BBC News Online.

After the initial scramble, the scientists managed to get an Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (ETI) search system built and used it on the Parkes radio telescope in Australia in February 1995, just one month later than the original Nasa plan.

No signal

Much of Project Phoenix's time was spent on the world's largest radio telescope, the 330-metre dish at Arecibo, which takes advantage of the natural topography of Puerto Rico's mountains.

"Over the years we have observed about 800 nearby stars over billions of frequency channels at high sensitivity," says Backus.

"No other search covered as many frequencies or achieved the same sensitivity. It was the only search capable of detecting ET transmitters with power comparable to our own military radars."

One of the problems in looking for signals from intelligences in space is that signals from Earth can interfere, so the scientists have to have a reliable way of discriminating between ET and terrestrial interference.

Phoenix pioneered a technique of "real-time interference monitoring" using a second radio telescope to determine if any suspicious signal was actually coming from deep space.

Expanded search

No suspicious signal survived that test, but the astronomers are not down-hearted; they know that ET could be detected tomorrow, in a thousand years, or never.

They say a search with an outcome that could be one of the biggest scientific discoveries of all time is worth the effort.

"We've learned a lot about searching for Eti. We'll carry those lessons and the new search system to the Allen Telescope Array (ATA)," Backus adds.

"Later this year, we'll be using the ATA with 32 small dishes. As the array expands, we'll start a new targeted search covering several hundred thousand stars.

"As I look back over the past 10 years I'm very proud of what we have achieved - the most sensitive and comprehensive search of our galactic neighbourhood.

"Conclusion: we live in a quiet neighbourhood."


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To: VOA
Assuming you can get money from tax-paying suckers

Sigh! SETI is privately funded. No tax-paying "suckers".

21 posted on 03/28/2004 10:59:22 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Momaw Nadon
"Conclusion: we live in a quiet neighbourhood."

As a reluctant convert to the Rare Earth point of view, I agree. A quiet galaxy, or perhaps a quiet universe.

My current UYAG (Ultra Wild-Assed Guess) is that there are between 1-10 intelligent civilizations in the entire Milky Way; we are essentially alone.

--Boris

22 posted on 03/28/2004 11:01:09 AM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: The Duke
I'm referring, of course, to DUCT TAPE!

LOL! I like that one.

23 posted on 03/28/2004 11:03:24 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the ping!
24 posted on 03/28/2004 11:06:10 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: boris
My current UYAG (Ultra Wild-Assed Guess) is that there are between 1-10 intelligent civilizations in the entire Milky Way; we are essentially alone.

That is completely possible.

25 posted on 03/28/2004 11:06:57 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Momaw Nadon
"As I look back over the past 10 years I'm very proud of what we have achieved

I'd say, be proud of what you did.  You achieved nothing.   Looking is not achieving.
26 posted on 03/28/2004 11:09:50 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: boris; RadioAstronomer
A quiet galaxy, or perhaps a quiet universe.

If so, that's very good news. It's all ours! We ought to hurry up and get out there to grab it -- all of it -- before some new species emerges out of the ooze somewhere and gets uppity.

27 posted on 03/28/2004 11:13:37 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: boris
My current UYAG (Ultra Wild-Assed Guess) is that there are between 1-10 intelligent civilizations in the entire Milky Way; we are essentially alone.

Do you count us?

28 posted on 03/28/2004 11:14:59 AM PST by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"If so, that's very good news. It's all ours! We ought to hurry up and get out there to grab it -- all of it -- before some new species emerges out of the ooze somewhere and gets uppity."

Just tell us how.

=========================

Actually I find it profoundly depressing:
(1) If we are the best the Universe can do it is a pretty sorry universe;
(2) As a member (maybe) the only intelligent species in the universe, everything you do (or I do) is invested with a horrible portent. Even taking a dump. Think about it.

--Boris

29 posted on 03/28/2004 11:20:33 AM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: PatrickHenry
No suspicious signal survived that test, but the astronomers are not down-hearted; they know that ET could be detected tomorrow, in a thousand years, or never.

Well, tomorrow is fine…a thousand years would be problematic, though.

30 posted on 03/28/2004 11:27:07 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts are: 2 for minor arm and thigh injury and 1 for killing a semi-dead VietCong)
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To: boris
Actually I find it profoundly depressing:
(1) If we are the best the Universe can do it is a pretty sorry universe;
(2) As a member (maybe) the only intelligent species in the universe, everything you do (or I do) is invested with a horrible portent. Even taking a dump.
Think about it.

I do think about it. Some preliminary conclusions: (a) ID is obviously out the window. (b) Our existence is of incalculable importance; nothing has any meaning except by our perception and understanding. (c) If we recognize our unique position in the great scheme of things, we should be motivated to take our lives and our actions more seriously.

In other words, if we're truly alone in the universe, it's the greatest boon to morality one can imagaine.

31 posted on 03/28/2004 11:28:55 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
... a thousand years would be problematic, though.

We still have each other.

32 posted on 03/28/2004 11:30:08 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Maybe God made man to populate the universe... pretty cool, all those resources.
33 posted on 03/28/2004 11:31:18 AM PST by Porterville (Did I spell something wrong? Does that make you mad? Poor baby.)
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To: PatrickHenry
You're right, I didn't think about it.
34 posted on 03/28/2004 11:34:35 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts are: 2 for minor arm and thigh injury and 1 for killing a semi-dead VietCong)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Thanks for the ping, my FRiend. ;-)
35 posted on 03/28/2004 11:56:51 AM PST by TomB (I voted for Kerry before I voted against him.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
"...due to technological advances, this RF that is being bled into space quiets down dramatically.

Just my two cents."


Great overview of the problem, RadioAstronomer.

As I recall Sagan and Drake anticipated a scenario in which a new technology-using civilization would transmit in RF for at time, and then go quiet.

In the Drake equation:
R * Fp * Ne * Fl * Fi * Fc * L = N

The "L" term is the "Lifetime" of communicating civilizations (years).

That time "L" could be the time from dawn-of-technology to extinction, or it could be until they go off-the-air for any reason (like a nuclear war that sends them back to the stone age).

---

Question on your last paragraph:
"..All that can reasonably be expected to be detected a faint signal from the narrowband carrier itself."

So...would we be looking for a doppler shift from a planetary-orbit in a narrow band?

36 posted on 03/28/2004 12:37:41 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer
They could be out there ... somewhere.

Sure, they're just on other faces of the TimeCube, so we can't hear them.

37 posted on 03/28/2004 1:18:38 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Momaw Nadon
They're heeeeeeere.


38 posted on 03/28/2004 1:24:37 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never let your life be directed by people who could only get government jobs.)
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To: ElkGroveDan; Art Bell
bump
39 posted on 03/28/2004 1:32:30 PM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: longshadow
Sure, they're just on other faces of the TimeCube, so we can't hear them.

Your profondity is astounding. But you forgot the obligatory link: TIME CUBE .

40 posted on 03/28/2004 1:36:42 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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