UN administrators flee Kosovo's Christian “Kristallnacht”

b92.net ^ | March 17, 2004 | B92

[Destro]

UN administrators flee “Kristallnacht” | 23:46 | B92

PRISTINA -- Wednesday – UN administrators have abandoned offices in the Kosovo towns of Gnjilane, Prizren and Pec, fleeing what one UNMIK official described to B92 as “Kristallnacht”.

“Kristallnacht is under way in Kosovo,” the official told B92 on condition of anonymity.

“What is happening in Kosovo must unfortunately be described as a pogrom against Serbs: churches are on fire and people are being attacked for no other reason than their ethnic background,” he added.

Serbs and UN officers have been the target of attacks by Kosovo Albanians during most of the day and night. The most dramatic withdrawal was from Belo Polje on the outskirts of Pec, where UNMIK officials, retreating with Serb residents, where forced to shoot Albanian assailants in self-defence.

The Serbian Orthodox seminary in Pec has been razed, and Albanians celebrated its destruction by setting fire to the local church., said the UN official.

[joan]

"The population of Kosovo is approximately 10 million."

10 million is 5 times larger than all other sources which give Kosovo a population of 2 million. That's a hugh error.

[Cronos]

Sure, there are individual Muslims just like you and me who only want to be left in peace

duuuh, dumb me! However, the tenets of their faith inescapably have produced nutcases like Wahhabi, Bin Laddin, etc. and their many adherents for centuries. It will continue to do so.

True, but The best we can do for Muslims is to contain Islam, remove Muslims from our midst for the sake of western security and leave them to evolve into modern human beings on their own, or destroy themselves by their own culturally inherent brutal nature. is not really possible if we want a free world. The attack on the WTC was an attack on the concept of freedom, using freedom and innovation's inventions (the airplanes) to attack. An ideal situation would be one where we could contain the Muslims. But it is not possible.
Letting them evolve their religon is not possible because Islam at its very core is violence and evil.

The only way is to convert them.

In this case, the Albanian Christians should be supported by America. Let them take over Albania and also the ethnically Albanian part of Kosovo. Forced conversions made these people Musllim, so forced conversion will reverse that.

[fdsa2]

For the same reason I object for anyone to using Nazi references which diminishes the real event - that´s why!

[norton]

"Anzar shouldn't have been so quick to point the finger at what was in all liklihood an innocent party in this particular instance (ETA)"

He was probably 'so quick' because ETA had been very active right up to the time of the blasts. There were numerous attempts, numerous arrests, and a bunch of explosives gathered up - from ETA - in the days just before someone blew up 200 commuters.

Logic would take just about anyone there first rather than jumping to the Islamists who up to that time had not threatened Spain directly. (The damning tape was pointed out well after the blasts)

No, the just shy of half of Spain's populace that were going to vote socialist anyway was joined by the spineless center and voted for less responsibility and more goodies. Much as I expect UBL, UN, EU and company believe will happen when the blue and red zones square off later this year.

[GeraldP]

>>>In this case, the Albanian Christians should be supported by America. Let them take over Albania and also the ethnically Albanian part of Kosovo. Forced conversions made these people Musllim, so forced conversion will reverse that.

Forced conversion will not be necessary, the religious balance in Albania is shifting quickly. Most people would agree with a figure of about 50% Christian in Albania proper. Islam has extremely shallow roots in Albania, and the current "clash of civilizations" is convincing many nominally-Muslim Albanians (this would constitute the vast majority of Muslims) that they have nothing in common with Islam or Islamic culture, they would declare themselves Christian. This is evident in cafe conversations, in newspaper editorials, and in internet forums.

Same is not yet true for Kosova, even though there are indications that the Catholic Church is having a sort of revival, including reportedly that Kosovar president Ibrahim Rugova has converted to Catholic.

http://members.aol.com/Plaku/religio.htm

[Cronos]

Islam has extremely shallow roots in Albania, and the current "clash of civilizations" is convincing many nominally-Muslim Albanians (this would constitute the vast majority of Muslims) that they have nothing in common with Islam or Islamic culture, they would declare themselves Christian

I hope so. The trauma of being forcefully converted to slam is still fresh in the Albanian mind, so I hope we can help bring about this change quickly.

[Cronos]

A good post from Gerald -- we are winning the war for souls in Albania:

http://members.aol.com/Plaku/religio.htm

An exceprt
Usually people speak of three religions in Albania: Muslim, Christian Orthodox, and Catholic. Sometimes a further distinction is made, between Sunnite Muslims, and the Bektashi. Foreign observers, and even some careless Albanian ones, with a quite superficial knowledge of the country, its history, and its culture, have no trouble in employing, heuristically, notions and categories like "the Muslim majority" (not to speak of those who, more or less inadvertently, confuse the Christian Orthodox with Greek minority). Other more careful observers have long since noticed that some Albanians are (or have become) indifferent to religion.

The major traditional religion in Albania, Islamism, even before WW2, ceased to be attractive to younger generations, especially in the south. Even though I have never heard about any Muslim family or community converting to Christianity in Albania after 1912 (except for some instrumental conversions that have taken place lately among immigrants in Greece), I have the impression that many Muslims simply stopped being religious, as soon as they realized that Islam, to them, meant first of all a frame of experience closely related to Ottoman Turkey, and Oriental style of life.

Islam has continued to lose ground, and today seems to be in crisis, at least in Albania, if not in other Albanian-populated areas. Both Catholicism and Orthodoxy are USED to survive surrounded by a hostile culture: they had almost 500 years to adapt to the new unfriendly environment. Therefore, Christianity in Albania is related to a culture of Survival.

These are excerpts.....

[Cronos]

Really good link Gerald:

Curiously enough, elements of an under-cover pro-Catholicism had already appeared under totalitarianism. The high-profile jubilation of Scanderbeg, his incoronation as the ultimate Albanian National Hero (in 1968), was an indirect way of admitting that Albania was bound to a slow, but resolute shift towards the Catholic Western World, as has cleverly been remarked by the German Albanologist Armin Hetzer.

Some years later, in the '80-ies, Albanian culture rediscovered (with much pomp) the Great Catholic Fathers of its literature: Buzuku, Budi, Bardhi, and Bogdani, all of them priests. The nationalist fever of those years brought afloat some other writers too, of Albanian origin, authors of works related to Scanderbeg: Marin Barleti was the most celebrated, but he was not the only one. These authors belonged, by affiliation, to Italian Renaissance, but a niche could be carved for them in the history of Albanian literature as well.

The most influential Albanian writer of that time, Ismail Kadare, would be very active in promoting this pro-Catholic wave: directly, by praising the pre-Turk Albania, and indirectly, through some of his fanta-historical novels. It is not suprising, therefore, that after 1990 he would openly assert his wish for a re-Catholicization of Albanians, as a way to go back to the very roots of Albanian nation.

In 1993, when Pope John Paul II visited Albania, a very large crowd gathered to greet him in Tirana's main square, most of whom non-Catholic. No Islamic, or Christian Orthodox authority could ever dream of such a triumphal reception in Albania.

There's also good stuff about the Orthodox church's revival

[vooch]

Indeed. They disobeyed orders, failed to accomplish their mission, and created a huge amount of ill will, 800 years later. Not good

sad, that the Crusaders ( aka Franks) got 'sidetracked' by the wealth of Constantinople............and sad that their modern counterparts (aka the French) are also getting 'sidetracked'.

[vooch]

For me, it's an ash-coated firehouse in lower Manhattan

Don't forget the Church of St. Nicholas which was a refuge destroyed in 9-11

[vooch]

It is likely true that decent Albanians are repulsed by the xenophobic extremism of KLA types.

However, one must ask what prevents decent Albanians from publicaly condeming the KLA ?

[ampat]

Yep, we sure do want the UN involved instead of the US. Another classic example of their ability (to run when confronted).

[GeraldP]

>>>However, one must ask what prevents decent Albanians from publicaly condeming the KLA ?

It is obvious here this question is designed to be rhetorical, since I've explained time and again that as far as I am concerned the KLA died as an organization once its purpose was served, however what does exist is anti-Serb extremism, and this extremism is condemned both publicly and privately.
Now, if you have a serious question to ask, do so, otherwise I would respectfully request that you desist from using me in your little propaganda soliloquy.

[MarMema]

Real Islamic terrorists can be found in Saudi A, Syria, Irn, Irq, Pakistan

And in Chechnya and Bosnia.

[CharlesThe Hammer]

Intransigent zealotry becomes so much less attractive to followers presented with complete annihilation. Reform, reassessment, and the "conversion" you correctly promote, will only occur when the Islamicists experience catastrophic losses. They have no present intention of of relenting in their world wide scourge of non-Muslims. It is likely that numerous heinous attacks are still to come. One such attack will undoubtedly incite unbridled American wrath. The tipping point will advance by Muslim pain. Just as liberal democratic principles replaced feudal bushido in fanatical Japan, and the obsessive racial purity cult of the Nazis, so too will reason triumph over anachronistic Muslim theocracy. As in Dresden and Nagasaki, the truth becomes awesomely clear by fire light.

[MarMema]

let's not potray this as a religious clash, but more correctly as an ethnic one.

That's funny, when 25 churches are burned I tend to think in terms of religion.

[Cronos]

I've changed my mind. I initially thought the war was purely ethnic and the Albanians were just looking for the right to live. I was WRONG.

They've been subsumed into the garbage that is Ilsam. Get KFOR out of there and into the Sudan to protect Christianss from being slaughtered (nearly 10 million in the last decade), let the Serbs in and let them take over Albania proper and Bosnia too and give them a choice -- convert to Christiantiy (Orthodox, Catholic, whatever) or be deported. The only way to combat the disease that is islaam is radical surgery -- chop off the diseased parts

[MarMema]

ping, Serbian news source.

[Mr. Mojo]

Helping Ragheads kill Christians with my tax dollars....makes me sick.

Yep, one of the most sickening things imaginable, frankly. And you can bet your boots that now that Christian Kosovo is being burned to the ground no one will lift a finger in its defense.

The world is freakin' nuts.

[Mikey]

God help these united States for our apathy and ignorance in electing those to office who are also apathetic and ignorant.