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I don't think I need to go past the frontpage of that site. There are sites like that about my church, too.

One of the things you have to understand about Mohammed is that whatever his failings, and there are a multitude, he was a product of the culture he was raised in. They found 9-year-old girls sexually attractive and marriagable. That doesn't make him sick, just his whole culture. Modern Islam is not what Mohammed started, it is just what we wound up with, and it is terribly fragmented. The Republic of Turkey is a fine example of what Islam CAN be, but often isn't. It is a secular nation that is Muslim, like the USA is a secular nation that is Christian. They don't marry 9-year-olds there. They are willing to discuss religion. (they are not willing to allow conversion attempts, but those who chose to convert are not punished, either) The Turks are mostly Sunni, but fairly relaxed about it. They could, almost all of them, be considered apostate if you're a Wahhabi. When the Synagoge in Istambul was bombed, the senior cleric in Turkey condemned it quite strongly, and a lot of Turks ran into the wreckage to rescue the victims. There wasn't any public rejoicing. This isn't to say there aren't some Turks who aren't like that, and are exactly what Lady Heron claims they're all like. As I've said all along, on this and several other threads, "it don't take all kinds, we just got all kinds."

Here in America we had Tim McVeigh. He, too, was a veteran of Desert Storm. He though America was the problem, and took steps to try and make the rest of us see ourselves that way. He was wrong, and paid for it. The terrorists are wrong, and will pay for it, too. But it is a serious mistake to see all Muslims as terrorists, as quite a few of them are most assuredly not. Most, in fact, are not supportive of terrorist, whatever Lady Heron said. We'll find out more if she actually tells me what polls, specifically, she's talking about.

Not to mention what media reports. There aren't too many media outlets I trust, these days. I'm not seeing a lot of reporting on what our guys in Iraq and Afghanistan are finding, either. Mostly just speculation and "facts" that are contradicted by posters here on FR that are in-theater.

This isn't to say there aren't some Turks who aren't like that, and are exactly what Lady Heron claims they're all like. As I've said all along, on this and several other threads, "it don't take all kinds, we just got all kinds."

There's a difference. Nutcase Christians who commit violence against innocents in the name of Jesus are very few, and are marginalized and happily locked up or executed.

Muslims who do the same are largely protected by their governments and celebrated as folk heroes.

The difference is in the scriptures of the two faiths. If you follow the Word of Jesus, you end up loving God and loving man to the point of sacrifice.

If you do the same with the Koran, you end up flying planes into buildings.

Again, don't assume your audiance here is ignorant. We know what the Koran says. We are basically asking the entire Muslim world to be like the Turks, who are really lousy Muslims (Thank G-d). 'Prophet of Doom' has simply taken the Koran and told the same story in historical context. Mohammed did more than just commit pedophilia. It is basically an Amway style death cult, whose goal is plunder, conversion by force, and control of the population through intimidation. The Taliban were pretty good at it. So is the Iranian regime.

Turkey is a terrible example of what Islam can be. They are completely backslidden. So are the fine immigrant Muslims who live here in the US who simply want to be a part of America. They are shameful in their practice of Mohammed's example.

What they need is a revelation of Jesus, not weak excuses from guys like you. You're not doing them any favors.

We'll find out more if she actually tells me what polls, specifically, she's talking about.

I don't know how to find tham and I don't feel like looking right now--it's only 7:30 am here. But in the West Bank and Gaza, and in polls taken among the general populations of certain nations, support for BinLaden is high, like well over 50%, IIRC. Even support for Saddam remains high, even though he killed more Muslims than anybody. I remember seeing them, and of course the media ignored them.

The ignorance is staggering. This is what you get when you deny the people access to basic knowledge about the outside world, and lie about the nature of Jews and Christians.

Again, it's all about control. Very Satanic.